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MCB,

I believe they have been published by Arc Euro as an independent enterprise and may not yet have been allocated an ISBN

Talk to Arc, they will know

Regards Brian

Well, I'm a little bit disappointed that these books aren't in the WSP series (Nos 50 & 51, they would have been). But having said that, I can understand that Ketan will wish to capitalize on the series since it used machines supplied by Arc.

I also note that these are quite large, at 304mm x 218mm they are quite large, larger in fact than the usual A4 size in the UK.

Peter G. Shaw

I have a couple of books that are handy for 'beginners'…

Milling a complete course – Harold Hall – Workshop practice series # 35

ISBN 978 -185486 – 232-7.

The Milling machine – Harold Hall – Workshop practice series # 49.

ISBN – 978 -185486 – 266 – 2

Workholding in the lathe – Tubal Cain – Workshop practice series # 15.

ISBN 0 – 85242 – 908 – 8

Vertical milling in the home workshop – Arnold Throp – Workshop practice series # 2

ISBN – 978 – 85242 – 843 – 6.

The Compact Lathe – Stan Bray – ISBN – 1 – 85486 – 013 – 5.

All handy ref. material & easy reading

George.

Hi MCB and All,

The ISBNs are the same as the product codes stated on our website.

As Jason mentioned, they are a reworking of the two series in the MEW. They have been edited, laid out and published by ARC.

Both books are based on modern day machines. Aimed at beginners who are:

• less inclined or able to join an engineering club for a variety of reasons, but still want to use a metalworking lathe or mill.
• less willing or able to ask for help, but need to ask basic questions, for example: what is a headstock of a lathe, or why an end mill should be held in a collet rather than a drill chuck, or even what is an end mill.

The books mentioned in Georges posts are great. They are based on older machines where the basic principals of turning or milling are the same as those used in the modern day machines. Most of the target audience of those books had some engineering background or access to machines in metalwork at school, so there is in my opinion some presumption that the reader has some level of understanding of terminology in those books.

During the editing process, ARC has tried to further elaborate, simplify, clarify certain basic ideas for the beginner, based on questions/issues we have come across over the years.

Ketan at ARC

Ketan,

Sorry, I've fallen into the trap of using WPS (Workshop Practice Series) and assuming everyone else knows what I mean. So yes, you are correct, who or what is WPS? (Bend over, thwack, thwack!)

For what it's worth, WPS Books 48 & 49 do actually have coloured photos inside, but as you intimate, the books are not hardback, and some of mine are distinctly the worse for wear, which shows just how much I read them. And for the non-cognoscenti, the WPS books are A5 which means in turn that any photos and/or sketches are necessarily going to be limited in size.

I did wonder about updates & corrections, and even expansion of the topics covered. In fact, that criticism may also be levelled at the WPS books as some of them are now at least 20 years old.

So, where does that leave me? Well, I'm no beginner, mind you, neither am I an expert, and I do have all the magazine articles (MEW or Model Engineer's Workshop before I have to bend over again!) along with a database in which the articles are listed together with a brief note about the content. And furthermore, given my current age, my current state of health along with the fact that if I get Covid-19, that'll most likely be it for me, I can't see me buying these books.

No disrespect intended Ketan, and thankyou for your considered reply.

Peter G. Shaw

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Edited By Peter G. Shaw on 17/10/2020 21:43:52

Well my copy arrived today and I must say that Alan, Ketan and his team of proof readers have done a very good job with the layout and typesetting of the book. The large format makes it possible to reproduce many of the photos at much larger sizes than was possible in the mag. This combined with the inclusion of additional images and links makes it a lot easier for a beginner to see and follow what is being described.

As mentioned by Ketan the ISBN numbers on the book do indeed correspond to his item numbers which can be found by clicking on the ARC advert at the top of the page (assuming you don't all have add blockers on).

J

I think the reasoning for linking back to the website is that it contains a lot more detail on the various items than could be included in the catalogue, typical example of milling cutter info on web site. It would obviously also require the reader to have a catalogue in their possession and it to be the one that has any page refs in it which would change from cat to cat.

Hi MC Black,

Thank you for your comments and observations. We at ARC are glad that you are pleased with your purchase. We know from experience how difficult it is to please you, which includes the choice of delivery systems we use.

I will try to explain some of the reasoning behind what we have done.

The books are broadly generic, using products available from various sellers around the world, rather than specifically from ARC, even though many products were supplied by ARC.

Under normal circumstances, if a person purchased the books from an independent company, the 'Arc Product Guide' (APG) would not be supplied with the book.

The thin 16page (including cover) APG booklet is complementary, and only sent to customers who purchase the books directly from ARC. We just did this as an extra idea. it is not part of the book.

The long-term aim is for other companies around the world to sell the books. So for example, if AUSEE in Australia sells the books, the APG will not be supplied to them. It would be wrong for AUSEEs customers to be directed to ARCs website.

We just wanted to try out the idea of guiding the reader to a source of purchase for a product talked about in a book.

There were two Catalogue 11s included in the package, because you had ordered them…One ordered earlier in the evening and one ordered with the books. The covering letter accompanying the Catalogue 11 does say in one of the paragraphs… 'For up-to-date information on prices and/or product details, please visit our website..' So, we felt it appropriate to link the QR codes in the APG to our website. Whilst I understand and respect your views, we chose to link the QR codes in the APG to pages on our website.

I understand your concern over lack of INDEX. We debated this concern in-house, and once again, whilst I respect your views, after taking many factors into consideration (without going into detail), we felt that the CONTENTS at the beginning was sufficient.

Ketan at ARC