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15 April 2017 at 15:56 #293477
Tim Stevens
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I need to find an up-to-date book on adhesives in engineering. It needs to explain the various options in current use, and cover some past solvents and materials, explain not only what will stick what, but the effects of plasticisers, weather, etc, and what dissolves what.

Can anyone suggest a useful resource covering this topic sensibly – and from our point of view, not just industry and mass production?

Thanks

Tim

Edited By Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 15:58:01
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15 April 2017 at 15:56 #30907
Tim Stevens
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Can you help, please?
15 April 2017 at 16:05 #293478
JasonB
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No 21 in the workshop practice series may have somnething though I have not looked at it.
15 April 2017 at 17:17 #293488
Neil Wyatt
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I wish someone truly knowledgeable about this subject would write me a short series for MEW.

Neil
15 April 2017 at 17:19 #293489
Tim Stevens
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The Tee website gives no detail about content or date written – is it really up to date? I ask because many such books do have a rather old-fashioned content. Or do I just have to splash out and hope?

Cheers, Tim
15 April 2017 at 21:01 #293508
Phil Whitley
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Tim, you could always write one!, Have you tried Loctite, or 3M, although they tend to do tech bulletins on specific products, you may find they (especially 3M) do a book, or can at least recommend one. I think you may have found a gap in the market.

Phil
15 April 2017 at 21:40 #293514
Jeff Dayman
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http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/adhesive-industrial-14972.htm
15 April 2017 at 21:41 #293515
Chris Evans 6
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I once went to an Institute of motor Industry (IMI) talk by Loctite and came away with several booklets and charts. Maybe a letter or e-mail to Loctite would secure you a similar package which may be of help.
15 April 2017 at 23:50 #293533
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 15:56:08:

I need to find an up-to-date book on adhesives in engineering. It needs to explain the various options in current use, and cover some past solvents and materials, explain not only what will stick what, but the effects of plasticisers, weather, etc, and what dissolves what.

Can anyone suggest a useful resource covering this topic sensibly – and from our point of view, not just industry and mass production?

Thanks

Tim

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Tim,

This little book is the best [on the subject] that I know of … but it dates back to 1984, and therefore is not as 'current' as you might wish: **LINK**

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Adhesives_in_Engineering_Design.html?id=nIvqCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y&hl=en

I got my copy as the 'course notes' when Permabond were doing seminars.

… It even came with 'adhesive selector' software on floppy disk,

MichaelG.
16 April 2017 at 11:33 #293585
steamdave
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Loctite used to give away – maybe still do – the Worldwide Design Handbook. Mine is 2nd Edition English from 1998.

Dave
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16 April 2017 at 16:50 #293643
ega
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No 21 WPS is from 1991.

I think that the author, David Lammas, also wrote an article in MEW.

PS There is some information on the Arc website.

Edited By ega on 16/04/2017 16:52:13
18 September 2017 at 13:58 #317528
Bob Gitsham
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Posted by Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 17:19:21:

The Tee website gives no detail about content or date written – is it really up to date? I ask because many such books do have a rather old-fashioned content. Or do I just have to splash out and hope?

Cheers, Tim

G'day Tim, I think that most information will be a bit dated by the time it gets into print. I would suggest that you write to the major brand names asking for info. I'm sure most of them will be only too happy to send it to you. For starters i'd Try ( not in nay particular order.)
Loctite, Devcon, JB Weld, Sellys, plus numerous others, some may travel under different names in different countries. In my experience as a Marine Engineer (retired) it is very much a horses for courses situation. To give any advice we need to know what it is you want to stick , and what are the operating parameters
18 September 2017 at 14:19 #317529
David Standing 1
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Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago?
18 September 2017 at 15:30 #317534
MW
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They should have a degree in this subject. Master of the adhesives.
18 September 2017 at 16:00 #317540
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago?

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Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' … so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.
18 September 2017 at 18:00 #317564
Tim Stevens
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Indeed, this is the case. Then, I wanted to stick an aluminium sheet to a marine ply panel. Last week it was to stick ABS letters to a plastic-coated plate. Next week it will be some other combination, I'm sure. I am particularly keen to find adhesives which are not affected by plasticiser migration, which is especially common with PVC stuff (including vehicle wiring).

And it does seem that the only serious tomes are intended for serious professionals and cost serious three-figure money.

Thanks, everyone, for trying to help.

Regards, Tim
18 September 2017 at 18:51 #317588
Vic
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Bit brief but may be of interest.

**LINK**
18 September 2017 at 18:52 #317589
Vic
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And this.

**LINK**
18 September 2017 at 19:56 #317614
Muzzer
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Sika do some marvellous adhesives. You can forget excrement and blankets if you use something like Sikaflex. There are quite a few products but I think they are mostly polyurethane based. Don't seem too expensive and you can get some of them at builders merchants, Screwfix etc.

Something like Sikaflex 252 would do what Tim wants.

Murray
18 September 2017 at 19:58 #317615
David Standing 1
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/09/2017 16:00:07:

Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago?

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Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' … so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.

Michael

Ah, my background being troubleshooting and problem solving assumes a solution would have been found a long time ago.

And, there has been a torrent of ancient threads resurrected of late – although, I grant you, five months is nothing compared to five years or more for some of the others
19 September 2017 at 08:00 #317664
Bob Gitsham
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/09/2017 16:00:07:

Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago?

.

Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' … so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.

Thanks Michael, I was wondering how I should reply to his pointless remark.

In fact the whole thread has since come alive.
19 September 2017 at 08:14 #317666
Bob Gitsham
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Posted by Tim Stevens on 18/09/2017 18:00:09:

Indeed, this is the case. Then, I wanted to stick an aluminium sheet to a marine ply panel. Last week it was to stick ABS letters to a plastic-coated plate. Next week it will be some other combination, I'm sure. I am particularly keen to find adhesives which are not affected by plasticiser migration, which is especially common with PVC stuff (including vehicle wiring).

And it does seem that the only serious tomes are intended for serious professionals and cost serious three-figure money.

Thanks, everyone, for trying to help.

Regards, Tim

Tim,

For your first problem I would suggest any reputable brand of contact adhesive, This stuff is realy tough, and will survive all sorts of situations.

Your next problem to stick ABS letters to a plastic coated plate.. depends a lot on the environment it will be used in, and how long it has to last. There are some very good double sided tapes available, real industrial strength and not very expensive, also available in small quantities.

Rather than look for a one size fits all publication on the subject, which I'm fairly certain doesn't exist, Why don't you pose the question on this forum whenever a new problem arises, I'm sure you'll get plenty of prompt, knowlegable replies.

You could also do as I have done and simply arm yourself with a few good quality standby products that will, suit most general purpose situations, and then when a specific application comes up then ask for help.

Edited By Bob Gitsham on 19/09/2017 08:17:10
19 September 2017 at 08:39 #317669
Michael Gilligan
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Tim,

The little book that I mentioned back on 15-April would appear to offer exactly what you want [except of course that it is 33 years out of date]. … You, being an establised technical author, might be just the man to update it.

May I suggest that you contact the publisher ?

MichaelG.

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Edit: … in case you missed the link from the Google Books page, here's the Publisher's page:

http://www.springer.com/gb/book/9783662110348?wt_mc=GoogleBooks.GoogleBooks.3.EN&token=gbgen#otherversion=9783662110324

and here is Bill Lees' Obituary:

http://www.iom3.org/society-adhesion-adhesives/feature/2005/aug/31/obituary-bill-lees

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 19/09/2017 09:06:20
19 September 2017 at 09:50 #317675
David Standing 1
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Posted by Bob Gitsham on 19/09/2017 08:14:49:

Posted by Tim Stevens on 18/09/2017 18:00:09:

Indeed, this is the case. Then, I wanted to stick an aluminium sheet to a marine ply panel. Last week it was to stick ABS letters to a plastic-coated plate. Next week it will be some other combination, I'm sure. I am particularly keen to find adhesives which are not affected by plasticiser migration, which is especially common with PVC stuff (including vehicle wiring).

And it does seem that the only serious tomes are intended for serious professionals and cost serious three-figure money.

Thanks, everyone, for trying to help.

Regards, Tim

Tim,

For your first problem I would suggest any reputable brand of contact adhesive, This stuff is realy tough, and will survive all sorts of situations.

Your next problem to stick ABS letters to a plastic coated plate.. depends a lot on the environment it will be used in, and how long it has to last. There are some very good double sided tapes available, real industrial strength and not very expensive, also available in small quantities.

Rather than look for a one size fits all publication on the subject, which I'm fairly certain doesn't exist, Why don't you pose the question on this forum whenever a new problem arises, I'm sure you'll get plenty of prompt, knowlegable replies.

You could also do as I have done and simply arm yourself with a few good quality standby products that will, suit most general purpose situations, and then when a specific application comes up then ask for help.

Edited By Bob Gitsham on 19/09/2017 08:17:10

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19 September 2017 at 10:12 #317677
Dazzamatazz
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I found this on my computer it may be of interest to someone.
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