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  • #140850
    Ian Simpkin 1
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      @iansimpkin1

      Hello, just spotted the following listing on eBay: 281245267319 27 days to go with nine still available…

      It is for a CD version of the popular 'Workshop Practice Series' about thirty titles for just £5.99 + p&p.

      Whilst I am all for a bargain, I suspect that these are for sale without the Publisher's or relevant Author's permission and does not seem fair. Regards, Donald.

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      #30859
      Ian Simpkin 1
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        @iansimpkin1
        #140851
        Steve Withnell
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          @stevewithnell34426

          There's a couple of Harold Hall's books in the bundle, so it is close to home.

          Report it to eBay, they won't do anything about it, but at least you could feel you tried!

          Steve

          #140852
          John Coates
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            @johncoates48577

            I've reported it. Maybe if there is a sea swell of complaints they will pull it

            John

            #140855
            Ian Simpkin 1
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              @iansimpkin1

              I too have reported it…

              On a slightly brighter note, but completely off-topic; but just HAD to share: I won a nearly new Unimat 3 lathe with ALL the original accessories for £22.21 (twenty-two pounds) on eBay just before Christmas!!!!laugh

              It was listed by someone who does house clearances. I gave him the chance to back out of the sale, but he was happy and so am I!!

              Unfortunately, I had a bit of bad news a few days later when I got the results of my heart scan and looks like I need surgery, so my horizontally-opposed diesel aero engine project will be on hold for quite some time.

              Happy New Year to All face 1

              #140862
              Steambuff
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                @steambuff

                Also listing 191016512293

                #140878
                Jeff Dayman
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                  @jeffdayman43397

                  Hi Ian, Congrats on the great lathe deal, and good luck on the surgery. Both my parents had bypass surgery a number of years ago with amazing results, and were back on their feet quickly. Hope it is the same for you. JD

                  #140883
                  I.M. OUTAHERE
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                    @i-m-outahere

                    Also reported from this end of the planet .

                    Unfortunately this is all too common and the main reason that Lex from Swarfrat enterprises has stopped making DVDs .

                    I'm going to try and contact the publisher to let them know also .

                    Ian

                    #140894
                    Russell Eberhardt
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                      @russelleberhardt48058

                      I don't think there's any way to stop this. The same set has been out there as a Torrent file for some time. Perhaps Ebay can be persuaded to take it off but Torrent files are hosted all over the world.

                      Russell

                      #140922
                      Bazyle
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                        @bazyle

                        £5.99 seems a bit of a rip off since a CD costs less than 50p. If the publisher had more than a vestige of common sense they would have issued the older publications themselves at a competative price reflecting the cost of production of a CD. As with music it is the greed of the publisher in overcharging that drives the pirate market and deprives the aurthor of the revenue from bulk sales of good value products.

                        #140923
                        blowlamp
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                          @blowlamp

                          Isn't this what designers and engineers have always had to put up with when their products are ripped off, as there is no real protection there?

                          Martin.

                          #140925
                          Sub Mandrel
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                            @submandrel

                            > As with music it is the greed of the publisher in overcharging that drives the pirate market and deprives the aurthor of the revenue from bulk sales of good value products.

                            I beg to disagree. The WPS books are still a going concern, as seen by their continued reprinting by successive publishers, each of whom will have paid for the copyright. It costs a lot more to print a book than a magazine, and then you may have to hold the stock for years. Each WPS book costs about the same as 2 1/2 magazines. I don't think that's an unreasonable price to pay – and unlike music there isn't a big market for live model engineering performances, t-shirts and posters to prop up the revenue lost to the pirates.

                            Neil

                            #140933
                            Gone Away
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                              @goneaway

                              £6.95 each (£4.63 each if you buy 3) seems like a decent enough price to me. I don't see it as overcharging.

                              #140935
                              Oompa Lumpa
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                                @oompalumpa34302
                                Posted by OMG on 17/01/2014 15:39:18:

                                £6.95 each (£4.63 each if you buy 3) seems like a decent enough price to me. I don't see it as overcharging.

                                I take it you are talking about the actual books themselves? I have picked up many of them from Amazon for less than 99p plus £2.50 postage (well the sellers have to make money somehow, I know the post is only 90p)

                                As for the "CD version" this torrent has been available for a while looking at it's history so the guy selling them on 'bay is just taking advantage of people's ignorance.

                                However – I would also point out that the Torrent file or this CD/DVD are pdf scans. I would bet that either the font is unreadable, the pictures unrecognisable or both. Not something I would really want to struggle through.
                                On this occasion I will stick to my books and decline this 'bayers kind invitation to waste my money on something that isn't his nor has he paid for it.

                                #140937
                                joegib
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                                  @joegib
                                  Posted by OMG on 17/01/2014 15:39:18:

                                  £6.95 each (£4.63 each if you buy 3) seems like a decent enough price to me. I don't see it as overcharging.

                                  I agree. These are peppercorn prices compared with the excessive prices long charged for music and film CDs/DVDs by their producers. It's ludicrous to compare these handbook prices with the price gouging that went on in those industries.

                                  I remember about a year ago I saw a posting on a Yahoo special interest group giving the web address of an American Web archive. On investigating rhe siteI found that over300 PdFsof full MEW magazines had been uploaded effectively covering the publication's whole history. I reported this to the ME/MEW publishers and their Lawyers must have bestirred themselves eventually to get this material taken down. What disgusted me most about this episode was the glee with which some group members greeted the posting — there was a chorus of congratulations along the lines ' great resource OP'.

                                  the sad fact is that it's not wicked exploitative capitalist publishers that will undermine this hobby but rather the scummy freeloaders, the kind of people who no doubt view shoplifting as a ''victimless' crime.

                                  Joe

                                  #140942
                                  blowlamp
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                                    @blowlamp

                                    Joe.

                                    Interesting you think some on here are "scummy freeloaders".

                                    Have you never read a book you didn't pay for?

                                    Martin.

                                    #140944
                                    jason udall
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                                      @jasonudall57142

                                      Read a book you didn’t pay for?

                                      Yep..libraries are great
                                      As is the gutenberg online archive. .

                                      #140952
                                      Ian Simpkin 1
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                                        @iansimpkin1

                                        Thanks for the kind words Jeff & others regarding heart surgery. I have told the publishers 'Special Interest Books' so maybe their 'clout' will get the item removed. He sold ten copies yesterday, and has listed another ten today, so he is making quite a tidy sum…

                                        #140960
                                        Steven Vine
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                                          @stevenvine79904

                                          Prompted by the heads up, I ordered a copy yesterday.

                                          Steve

                                          #140963
                                          Mike Poole
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                                            @mikepoole82104

                                            It would seem there is a market for these books in a digital format that is not satisfied by the publisher. I find the digital option for music, reading and viewing to be most useful. I buy my music on CD but rip it to mp3 so I can store it on my NAS drive and stream it to my SONOS speakers to listen in my house and put my current playlist on a USB stick to listen on the car stereo and a copy on a USB hard drive to listen at work and as a digital backup. My kindle has a substantial collection of books (both ones I have purchased and classics from Gutenberg) that I can pop in my bag and take on holiday so I can choose what to read at any time. Book and magazine publishers are only just getting their act together to provide this sort of flexibilty to the consumer. The titles mentioned are not available digitally at the moment which has clearly left a market for illegal copies. Publishers have the problem of copyright control once things are digitised but this does have solutions as MEW & ME have demonstrated with online and pocketmags. Just I can digitise a CD in a few minutes an office photocopier will scan a book to a PDF file in a few minutes if the book is dismantled, it wrecks the book but the pirates will soon get their money back.

                                            Mike

                                            #140966
                                            Steven Vine
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                                              @stevenvine79904

                                              I bought the item yesterday, and got this message today:-

                                              Thanks for your interest in this item.
                                              191016512293 – Workshop Practice Series + methods of work DVD PDF FORMAT

                                              We had to remove this listing, and the item is no longer available. We do our best to make sure listings that may not comply with our policies don't appear on eBay. Because millions of items are listed every day, occasionally a noncompliant item could appear on our site.

                                              The most common reasons we remove listings are:
                                              — The item isn't allowed on eBay or can only be listed under certain conditions.
                                              — The listing or item may have violated the intellectual property rights of others.

                                              What to do now:

                                              If you won the item and haven't paid yet:
                                              — This transaction is now canceled. You don't need to pay for the item.

                                              If you won the item and already paid:
                                              — Don't worry — your item should still arrive.
                                              — If you have any questions about the transaction or delivery, check the shipment tracking if it's available. Contact your seller for more information.
                                              — If you don't receive the item, or if the item arrives in significantly different condition than it was described, your purchase price plus original shipping may be covered by eBay Buyer Protection:
                                              http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/buy/resolving-problems.html

                                              #140967
                                              I.M. OUTAHERE
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                                                @i-m-outahere

                                                The publishers are looking into this and hopefully will take legal action against this person .

                                                I wonder if the sales of these books pays royalties to the author per book sold ?
                                                If it does buying that CD is robbing them of their income .

                                                Ian

                                                #140968
                                                John Stevenson 1
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                                                  @johnstevenson1

                                                  Yes they do pay royalties.

                                                  When Jim Cox was alive he told me they got two payments per year, not a lot but it all helped.

                                                  #141040
                                                  Robbo
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                                                    @robbo

                                                    I have seen one of these collections of Workshop Practice books on a CD as sold on ebay. They were simply scanned by opening the book and scanning 2 pages at once. The quality was not great.

                                                    Didn't have time to look at all the books on the CD, but the ones I did see were actually from a municipal lending library.!! The Dewey classification labels were on the spine, some had a library stamp inside.

                                                    Now that's really cheeky!

                                                    What we used to describe as "tearing the a*se out of it"

                                                    Phil

                                                    PS. Ian, there is more than one person doing this

                                                    Edited By Robbo on 18/01/2014 17:32:55

                                                    #141044
                                                    John Stevenson 1
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                                                      @johnstevenson1

                                                      OK going to stick my head above the parapet here.

                                                      I have a bootleg copy of Ivan Laws Gears and Gear Cutting on this laptop so I have access to this book when I'm away from base. I don't mind admitting it as I have bought 3 genuine copies that kick about the house / workshop / thunderbox [ delete as necessary ] because it's a book I use a lot as a reference book.

                                                      I found it my just doing a search on Google, I don't do torrents, for one I down know how and secondly i don't think our firewall / server, will allow them.

                                                      There are various copies, as Robbo says there are scanned in library copies but someone has also done a copy of the workshop series that is scanned, OCR'd and is very professional to the point that the blank inside pages are watermarked " This page is purposely left blank "

                                                      I do have a couple of others in the series but again I have bought the original book new so the authors will have had their dues off me.

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