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  • #485053
    Deric
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      @deric

      Hello, all

      I have been building Super Simplex fir a long time now and have finally got to the superheater, which is now almost finished. In order to seal the regulator output to the superheater the drawing calls for two 1/32” Hallite washers 3/4” od x 1/2” id. These washers sandwich an Oring and are fitted in the output boss on the boiler and the superheater boss when fitted and tightened compress the oring ti form the seal.

      I have asked the usual suppliers if they can supply these Hallite washers and it seems no one does and doesn’t know what they are!

      can anyone help me with where I can get these? and if you have built Super Simplex what did you use?

      TIA

      regards

      Deric

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      #30038
      Deric
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        @deric
        #485055
        pgk pgk
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          @pgkpgk17461

          It looks like Hallite is a UK Co with website, contact phone numbers and on-line expert chat…and google throws up stockists..

          https://hallite.com/

          #485056
          Andrew Tinsley
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            @andrewtinsley63637

            The last time i used hallite washers was many years ago. I got them from BSS (British Steam Specialites). It is worth a try if they are still trading.

            Andrew.

            #485071
            HOWARDT
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              @howardt

              Like wise have used Hallite seals in the dim and distance past, but don’t remember Hallite washers. Having done a web search seams there is Halite washers, note one l. These appear to be from gasket material referenced a few times on my search as used on Lambretta joint faces. So perhaps not a flexible seal material as such.

              #485073
              Robert Atkinson 2
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                @robertatkinson2

                Hallite washers are fibre wahers with a wire mesh reinforcement.

                Robert G8RPI.

                #485086
                JohnF
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                  @johnf59703

                  Hallite seems to have disappeared, I needed [wanted] some a short while back but ended up using an alternative from Ebay — enter Hallite Gasket Material and search you should find something suitable to make your washers from – easy enough to make a couple of one use punches from the scrap box.

                  My recollection of Hallite is it was a paper based material with graphite impregnated and some form of reinforcement but I don't remember it as wire ? Stand to be corrected of course.

                  John

                  #485091
                  Brian Sweeting 2
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                    @briansweeting2

                    Are these bonded seals of any use?

                    Bonded seals

                    #485093
                    Brian Morehen
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                      @brianmorehen85290

                      Used to be able to buy this in a rolled up sheet which was about 1/32 thick have used this in the past for seals on steam boilers may have some ofcuts still as left overs will have to look what i have if any interest , years since i bought any..

                      Regards Brian

                      #485120
                      not done it yet
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                        @notdoneityet
                        Posted by Brian Sweeting on 11/07/2020 20:06:33:

                        Are these bonded seals of any use?

                        Bonded seals

                        You mean a Dowty washer?

                        #485127
                        Howard Lewis
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                          @howardlewis46836

                          Like NDIY, I wondered if Dowty washers would do the job. Depends on the rubber insert having a high enough temperature capability.

                          You could make your own washers, by punching out from a sheet of gasket material. Punch the hole first, and then the OD!

                          Howard

                          #485139
                          David George 1
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                            @davidgeorge1

                            Hi there is a website for Hallite https://hallite.com/contact/ they list a roll of material.

                            David

                            #485141
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133
                              Posted by not done it yet on 11/07/2020 23:57:29:

                              Posted by Brian Sweeting on 11/07/2020 20:06:33:

                              Are these bonded seals of any use?

                              Bonded seals

                               

                              You mean a Dowty washer?

                              .

                              dont know … I expect Dowty would be pleased to see that  ‘generic’ bonded seals are  not being marketed under their trade name.

                              MichaelG.

                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/07/2020 08:31:38

                              #485147
                              J Hancock
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                                @jhancock95746

                                Either the washers or the O-ring make the seal ?

                                Can't really see why you need both.

                                #485150
                                Samsaranda
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                                  @samsaranda

                                  Bonded seals/ Dowty washers are used to seal banjo type fittings on hydraulic systems, a particularly specialised function.
                                  Dave W

                                  #485167
                                  Deric
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                                    @deric

                                    Here is an extract from the drawing showing the superheater seal location.

                                    i have been offered some glass impregnated PTFE to make washers which I think meant to compress and ‘protect’ the oring. Given that Super Simplex was designed in the mid 80’s Hallite washers were probably the most suitable for this application.

                                    do you think the PTFE will do as good a job, given that it’s good for over 300DegC?

                                    #485172
                                    John Baguley
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                                      @johnbaguley78655

                                      There really is no need for the washers but I presume that you have made the parts to the drawings so the gap for the O ring will be too big for the O ring alone. Your PTFE should be fine to make the washers or you could just make a spacer washer out of brass (put on the boiler side of the O ring) to make the gap the right width for the O ring on it's own.

                                      I've used the O ring seal on several locos and it works very well. Much better than the threaded joints beloved by LBSC which are an absolute pain!

                                      John

                                      #485227
                                      Brian Sweeting 2
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                                        @briansweeting2
                                        Posted by not done it yet on 11/07/2020 23:57:29:

                                        Posted by Brian Sweeting on 11/07/2020 20:06:33:

                                        Are these bonded seals of any use?

                                        Bonded seals

                                        You mean a Dowty washer?

                                        That's the name, for the life of me I couldn't remember it. It was only 40 years ago when I used them on a regular basis.

                                        #485246
                                        Deric
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                                          @deric

                                          Thanks to all of who have chipped in, your comments are much appreciated.

                                          im going to go for the PTFE solution.

                                          Thanks again

                                          Deric

                                          #485254
                                          not done it yet
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                                            @notdoneityet
                                            Posted by Brian Sweeting
                                            It was only 40 years ago when I used them on a regular basis.

                                            I know the feeling. Used extensively on hydraulics but the name is often forgotten – when one simply goes to the box of washers!

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