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    AJW
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      #376211
      AJW
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        @ajw

        I am making the ETW Centaur engine and am planning ahead for the crankshaft.
        This I will be turned in one piece from bar 3/4 in by 2 inch – I need about 10 inches all in.
        I would like to machine this from EN1A but am having difficulty obtaining a short section – I don’t need 3 metres!
        Can anybody recommend a ‘machinable’ alternative?
        I will only be turning this, I have no grinding facilities.

        Alan

        #376216
        John Rudd
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          @johnrudd16576

          Macc models list EN1 in the size required…..£8-72 per foot…..

          #376217
          nick bald
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            @nickbald39826

            Hi Alan

            you can get almost any width and length of en1a on ebay.

            hope this helps.

            Nick

            #376219
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Make sure you get black (hot rolled) or you will have a bananna crank.

              Metric 20 x 50 from M-machine is £6.60 a foot and machines up OK, think it is EN32

              #376221
              AJW
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                @ajw

                Thanks for quick response!
                Tried Reeves, haven’t heard of Macc and couldn’t find what I was after on the bay!
                Thanks for heads up, will get contacting.
                I thought bananaring could be avoided by heating to red?

                Alan

                #376222
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Its a big old lump to heat up and the black is usually cheaper than bright to start with let along the gas cost.

                  M- Machine price list

                  #376230
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by AJW on 16/10/2018 17:36:58:
                    … haven't heard of Macc …

                    .

                    Top of the list of 'Shopping Partners' in the adverts >>

                    #376243
                    Maurice Taylor
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                      @mauricetaylor82093

                      Steel2go sell short lengths.They are at Grantham.They sell on ebay.

                      They have a 250 mm x3/4in dia of EN1A for £7 inc post.

                      Hope this helps.

                      #376245
                      John Rudd
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                        @johnrudd16576

                        Something to think about….

                        EN32 is a case hardening steel with low tensile strength and is used in general engineering for the production of lightly stressed components.

                        EN1A Engineering Steel is ideal for use in precision turned components and is used in intricate drilling and machining operations. The alloy can be case hardened which improves wear resistance and has reasonable strength and ductility. EN1A also offers a superior finish.

                        #376253
                        Neil Wyatt
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                          @neilwyatt
                          Posted by John Rudd on 16/10/2018 19:07:56:

                          Something to think about….

                          EN32 is a case hardening steel with low tensile strength and is used in general engineering for the production of lightly stressed components.

                          EN1A Engineering Steel is ideal for use in precision turned components and is used in intricate drilling and machining operations. The alloy can be case hardened which improves wear resistance and has reasonable strength and ductility. EN1A also offers a superior finish.

                          EN32 has a tensile strength of around 490MPa, while EN1a is 370-400.

                          #376254
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            What Neil says it is low tensile when compared to some of the higher carbon steel but better than others and more then strong enough for model open crank engines. Also a lot easier to get hold of in flat sections than EN1A

                            #376255
                            Chris Evans 6
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                              @chrisevans6

                              AJW where are you located ? my local steel stockholder lets me look in the offcut/short length rack. Prices are more than reasonable if paying cash.

                              #376256
                              AJW
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                                @ajw

                                Thanks guys, I am in the Southend area and I did contact my local ‘offcut’ specialist who unfortunately didn’t have anything suitable in stock.
                                I quite agree that getting a chunk like that hot is no mean feat!
                                Macc’s looking good.

                                Alan

                                #376258
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  Macc's flat is bright so will need heating first, M-Machines won't.

                                  I've tried bright in the past and you can see it move before your eyes as you stitch drill out the waste. Since then I have used flat section or flame cut from plate.

                                  Then again you could do a built up one from PGMS and a couple of slices of round EN1A and make the balance weights as one with the webs. Silver solder or even stick it together with Loctite and it will be good to go

                                  #376260
                                  AJW
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                                    @ajw

                                    So do you reckon the
                                    black hot rolled
                                    will machine ok to give good bearing surfaces?
                                    I have made cranks before using built up methods but fancied making one from solid.

                                    Alan

                                    #376261
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      Well it can look a bit rough to start with

                                      And still a bit dull from roughing out

                                      But comes up Ok with finishing cuts

                                      Bit of shaping of the webs and it is as the earlier photo, in the engine below

                                      #376266
                                      AJW
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                                        @ajw

                                        Looks good!
                                        Never thought of roughing out by drilling, saves a lot of hot chips going down the shirt front.

                                        Alan

                                        #376335
                                        duncan webster 1
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                                          @duncanwebster1
                                          Posted by AJW on 16/10/2018 20:43:58:
                                          So do you reckon the
                                          black hot rolled
                                          will machine ok to give good bearing surfaces?
                                          I have made cranks before using built up methods but fancied making one from solid.

                                          Alan

                                          Black is exactly the same stuff as bright, just not been cold worked. As others have said it is much less likely to distort, and machines exactly the same. I can't imagine that the tensile strength of EN1A is an issue for a small steam engine, if it is then EN3 might be a possibility, still fairly easy to machine.

                                          #376346
                                          Georgineer
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                                            @georgineer

                                            Ringwood Precision Engineering have a good range in their on-line shop. I've always had good service from them. Usual disclaimer.

                                            George

                                            #376403
                                            AJW
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                                              @ajw

                                              Great forum, so helpful!
                                              I have a piece of black steel from M-Machine on its way!
                                              Good price, but it cost more in carriage!

                                              Alan

                                              #376407
                                              Colin Heseltine
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                                                @colinheseltine48622

                                                Chris Evans 6,

                                                Who is your local stockholder. I know you are in KIngs Bromley and not far from me. I buy some stuff from Tamworth Steel (usually Black flats 50mm x 3mm) but never asked about their off-cuts bin. Will give you a call next week.

                                                Colin

                                                #376412
                                                JC54
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                                                  @jc54

                                                  As was mentioned earlier in this thread— I thoroughly recommend Steel2Go in Grantham EBAY. I have used them for several years and had superb service and quality from them. I must add that I am not connected to them JUST a very satisfied customer..

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