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  • #331896
    Martin King 2
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      @martinking2

      Hi All,

      I really need to find an old white piano key so that I can cannibalise the white material on the top to repair a very nice antique cribbage board of unusual design that I have just got.

      As this is a job for our business I am naturally prepared to pay for this and postage if anyone can help me out.

      Possibly a small piece of very thin bone would also do but must be a nice whitish cream colour.

      Regards, Martin

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      #29775
      Martin King 2
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        @martinking2
        #331905
        ega
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          @ega

          Apart from suggesting ivory substitute, I can't help but would be glad to see a photo of the cribbage board.

          Sad to think how may pianos were smashed for fun in competitions!

          #331917
          Mick B1
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            @mickb1

            It might be quite difficult to match – 'white' piano keys ain't all the same colour by any manner o' means. I remember once trying to do a refurb on an upright.

            #331919
            pgk pgk
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              @pgkpgk17461

              Another alternative might be dental filing material.. available in a whole range of shades and usually both in chem-set or light-set versions. If you have a friendly dentist locally you could take in the cribbage board to see if the shade you need is available.

              #331926
              Clive Foster
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                @clivefoster55965

                Posted by ega on 13/12/2017 17:45:01:

                Sad to think how may pianos were smashed for fun in competitions!

                Brother is piano tuner. He'd seriously disagree reckoning that there are far too many old wrecks out there that got overlooked.

                "Only want a cheap piano for the kids to learn on!" is approximately equivalent to taking a blow torch to the blue touch paper at the business end of a Saturn 5.

                Getting back to the OPs question there is very little chance of getting a good colour match between cribbage board and piano keys. The ageing / discolouration rate is very different. Maybe if he did it all from keys salvaged from one piano. I'll ask him what, if anything, he has later.

                Clive

                #331930
                richardandtracy
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                  @richardandtracy

                  Can remember a Channel 4 program in the early 1990's about Trebuchets, where they interviewed a landowner who was slowly demolishing a copse by hurling old pianos at it with his own trebuchet.

                  It is a weird and wonderful world we live in.

                  Regards

                  Richard.

                  #331971
                  John McNamara
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                    @johnmcnamara74883

                    Hi Martin

                    Second hand antique and brick-a-brac shops often have boxes of unmatched old knives with various bone or bone like handles, maybe a couple of the right colour and texture could be found and thin slices cut from them to make the inlay. They should not cost a lot if the blade is worn or corroded you are only after the handle.

                    Regards
                    John

                    Edited By John McNamara on 14/12/2017 05:20:49

                    #331976
                    Martin King 2
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                      @martinking2

                      Hi John, Good idea! I had not thought of the old white handled dinner knives, I often see them at car boots, will now keep an eye out.

                      Many Thanks.

                      Martin

                      #331981
                      ianj
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                        @ians

                        John beat me to it, I repaired a chess piece using the material from the handle of an old knife & it was a good match and no Elephants were harmed in this repair !

                        #331982
                        Rik Shaw
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                          @rikshaw

                          Dominoes?

                          #331993
                          Ian S C
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                            @iansc

                            Twenty years ago I helped rebuild and install a pipe organ in our church, the ivory disc in the end of one of the knobs for the stops was missing, the organ builder was able to match the colour, and grain of the ivory with the other stops, then engrave the name of the stop, and once fitted you would not know which were old, and which were new. The new insert is plastic, I don't know what type, but it is of similar consistency to ivory.

                            Ian S C

                            #331995
                            Jon Gibbs
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                              @jongibbs59756

                              Not sure whether it's come into force yet but all ivory trading may be banned – at least in theory…

                              **LINK**

                              Depending how small the pieces are, I'd suggest either tagua nut vegetable ivory **LINK**

                              or artificial ivory/bone **LINK**

                              Plentiful supply and cheap enough.

                              HTH

                              Jon

                              #331997
                              Neil Wyatt
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                                @neilwyatt

                                "Only two major exemptions will be allowed – musical instruments and historic or artistic artefacts."

                                It would be appalling if all the old objects that contain ivory were destroyed in an another misguided attempt to impose today's morality on the past.

                                The next thing you know we will be destroying statues of Nero…

                                #332006
                                Jon Gibbs
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                                  @jongibbs59756
                                  Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/12/2017 09:59:29:

                                  "Only two major exemptions will be allowed – musical instruments and historic or artistic artefacts."

                                  It would be appalling if all the old objects that contain ivory were destroyed in an another misguided attempt to impose today's morality on the past.

                                  …but we're not talking about trading either a musical instrument or a historic artistic artefact here. The OP wants ivory to restore an antique item.

                                  Jon

                                  #332007
                                  mark smith 20
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                                    @marksmith20

                                    Martin, have you got a photo of the offending piece and size needed, i have a load of mammoth ivory that i use in my work ,including thin flat pieces which are of little use to me .It varies from almost white to dark yellow cream.

                                    #332272
                                    Tractor man
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                                      @tractorman

                                      Martin. Are you sorted as I have some small pieces of raw ivory from the knife making industry in Sheffield so definitely pre ban.

                                      #332277
                                      MW
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                                        @mw27036

                                        Simple. Just do what the chinese do now when making modern mahjong sets. Polished cow bone.

                                        #332308
                                        Neil Wyatt
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                                          @neilwyatt
                                          Posted by Jon Gibbs on 14/12/2017 10:26:42:

                                          Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/12/2017 09:59:29:

                                          "Only two major exemptions will be allowed – musical instruments and historic or artistic artefacts."

                                          It would be appalling if all the old objects that contain ivory were destroyed in an another misguided attempt to impose today's morality on the past.

                                          …but we're not talking about trading either a musical instrument or a historic artistic artefact here. The OP wants ivory to restore an antique item.

                                          Jon

                                          historic OR artistic.

                                          Antiques count as historic (presumable defined as made before Ivory bans came in to force).

                                          (I assume the law actually says 'historical' (i.e. old) and that the reporter was being lazy when they used 'historic' (i.e. associated with some major event in history).

                                          Neil

                                          #332311
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133
                                            Posted by Neil Wyatt on 16/12/2017 12:15:38:

                                            (I assume the law actually says 'historical' (i.e. old) and that the reporter was being lazy when they used 'historic' (i.e. associated with some major event in history).

                                            .

                                            **LINK**

                                            https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-plans-for-ivory-ban

                                            Source of actual information ^^^

                                            MichaelG.

                                            .

                                            For convenient navigation, here is a link to the consultation page:

                                            https://consult.defra.gov.uk/international/banning-uk-sales-of-ivory/

                                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 16/12/2017 13:04:38

                                            #334111
                                            Martin King 2
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                                              @martinking2

                                              Hi All,

                                              Many thanks to George for sending me some piano key tops, just perfect for what was needed.

                                              Added the three missing corner pieces and the one missing score board section and it now looks a lot better:

                                              crib 1.jpg

                                              crib 3.jpg

                                              Drilling the holes was tricky as they were so near the edges, I started at 1.mm and carefully worked up to the final 2.7mm, one corner piece flew out and was ruined but not to much trouble. Made a couple of brass markers also.

                                              Don't get me started on the ivory thing, it a real pet peeve of mine. I am 3 YEARS into a discussion with The Natural History Museum over whether or not a particular species of Sawfish Rostrum (nose) requires Cites or not.

                                              Bought a superb one of these about 5 years ago at auction which was fine, put it on EBay and got a £600 bid at once from France which was then pulled by EBay with no option to discuss.angry I now have 4 or 5 of them waiting to find a solution.

                                              Cheers, Martin

                                              #334115
                                              ega
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                                                @ega

                                                Martin King 2:

                                                Not sure if you posted the excellent photos in response to my request but many thanks for them anyway. Previously, I had only ever seen the rectangular style which is probably more convenient in pubs where space may be limited

                                                #334117
                                                Martin King 2
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                                                  @martinking2

                                                  EGA, Yup! posted for you as requested! smiley

                                                  #334336
                                                  Howard Lewis
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                                                    @howardlewis46836

                                                    Beware Martin!

                                                    By using black paint on a white material, someone will accuse you of being racialist or colonialist. "You're only doing it because of the colour"

                                                    But if everything a uniform brown, even that will be a racialist slur, because of your choice!

                                                    Someone will be determined to be offended, no matter what you say or do.

                                                    As a friend says "Common sense is not that common anymore"

                                                    Howard

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