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    stevetee
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      @stevetee

      **LINK**

      Edited By JasonB on 15/02/2016 20:37:35

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      #29574
      stevetee
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        @stevetee

        Steel?

        #225544
        Emgee
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          @emgee

          stevetee

          Where does the link take you to ?

          Emgee

          #225545
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            Its safe unlike the steel in the video which I have now embedded

            Edited By JasonB on 15/02/2016 20:37:58

            #225549
            Hollowpoint
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              @hollowpoint

              Wow nearly as strong as Blackpool rock. face 20 Let's hope their nuclear programme is a bit more robust surprise

              #225563
              MW
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                @mw27036

                Ridiculous, I take it that it's so hard it just shatters.

                #225566
                Nick_G
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                  @nick_g

                  .

                  So the Americans will not need one of these :-

                  They will just need some of these ;-

                  Nick wink

                  #225580
                  robjon44
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                    @robjon44

                    Hi guys, the material shown in the video doesn't surprise me one little bit, for the last few years of my working life I worked for a firm that made tracked mobile rock crushers, along both sides taking the full force of the crusher plate mechanism were 2 rods, a metre long & 25mm diameter with 100mm of M25 thread on the end, made of Indian steel by someone from that region. I happened to be passing through the fitting shop one day when they struck up a machine for the first time, when the young man standing by it with the control pendant started up the crusher plates the rods both snapped like carrots into 3 separate pieces, one of which made a bold attempt to take his head right off! The owner of the company & the shop manager were both present to witness this happen, turning whiter than a first aid box, when they recovered their composure I was asked for my opinion on the incident, ( I have a period as Chief Inspector of a small engineering company in my CV ) so I proceeded to tell them in language that would have made an Italian truck driver blush exactly what I thought of this major penny pinching exercise, culminating in my opinion that anyone buying steel from anywhere east of Scunthorpe needed their heads looking at, but that's just my opinion.

                    robjon44

                    #225581
                    MW
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                      @mw27036

                      "So the Americans will not need one of these :-"

                      Ah, but in order to fire said expensive missle, one must know where to send said expensive missle!

                      #225585
                      Clive Hartland
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                        @clivehartland94829

                        The bunker busting bombs are made from shot out large caliber gun barrels. A good recycling method for them. With the large number of artillery ordnance they have the supply should last a long time.

                        Clive

                        #225666
                        Lambton
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                          @lambton

                          I wonder about the quality of the cheap Chinese steel that is being dumped into this country to the detriment of our once proud steel industry. Who is buying it and what are they making from it?

                          The video shows how useless certificates, labels etc. are if someone is being much less than honest.

                          #225675
                          Bazyle
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                            @bazyle
                            Posted by Lambton on 16/02/2016 17:22:19:

                            The video shows how useless certificates, labels etc. are if someone is being much less than honest.

                            You don't have to go that far for a 'quality' certified product. Meat pie anyone?

                            #225679
                            Tony Pratt 1
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                              @tonypratt1

                              I think all industry is now driven by the term LCC [low cost country], sorry I don't think it I know that to be the case!

                              I'm not sure if you can control the quality or believe the certs supplied by our eastern cousins?

                              Tony

                              #225683
                              MW
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                                @mw27036

                                I guess countries with the biggest pools of consumers tend to be service industry driven economies and this provides the opportunity for developing countries to boost their manufacturing in order to help themselves grow and provides savvy business operators the ability to buy labor at a lower rate.

                                Cold hearted but true.

                                Michael W

                                #225691
                                JA
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                                  @ja

                                  In the third world concrete reinforcing bar, as in the film clip, is used for security bars across windows and such like.

                                  JA

                                  #225769
                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                    @neilwyatt

                                    It's easy to forget the guys in the clip are as horrified as we are.

                                    Neil

                                    #225774
                                    Ian S C
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                                      @iansc

                                      Bazyle, stop "horsing about"wink

                                      Ian S C

                                      #225780
                                      Clive Hartland
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                                        @clivehartland94829

                                        Did anyone see on TV the 'Reinforced ' multistory building in Tiawan that fell down in the earthquake, where the builders had put empty tin cans in the structure?

                                        If thats anything to go by what use is that re-bar.

                                        Clive

                                        #225797
                                        Neil Wyatt
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                                          @neilwyatt

                                          Or Ronan Point.

                                          Neil

                                          #225799
                                          MW
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                                            @mw27036

                                            its possible that the rebar isnt designed to take high impact shock forces since the concrete is filled around it when its finished. Is it possible that its simply for load bearing purposes?

                                            #225819
                                            mark costello 1
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                                              @markcostello1

                                              No need of a saw, just break off what You need.

                                              #225834
                                              David Haley
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                                                @davidhaley39295

                                                This doesn't surprise me! Some of the tool steel that we have come across from India and Pakistan is by far the worst I've ever seen, Huge amounts of silicon, hard spots, soft spots, inclusions and laminations, the stuff of nightmares before you even try to heat treat and work the steel! What worries me most though is the amount of products that are being brought over, 'washed' through EU companies and then passed off as made in Europe from high quality sources!

                                                #225846
                                                SillyOldDuffer
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                                                  @sillyoldduffer

                                                  As Neil points out with the Ronan Point example, British engineering doesn't have an entirely unblemished record when it comes to quality issues. I can recommend the book "Why Buildings Fall Down" by Levy and Salvadori. It says that the problems revealed by the Ronan Point collapse resulted in the demolition of "hundreds" of similarly unsafe tower blocks. Ronan Point itself was dismantled piecemeal because of concern that the building's structural integrity wouldn't support explosive demolition. "The joints between wall and slab, supposedly packed with mortar, were discovered to be full of voids and rubbish."

                                                  Returning to steel, this LINK gives production figures by country for 2014 – 2015. The annual total is 1,496,105,000 tonnes. This is a huge quantity of metal and I don't find it surprising that some of it isn't to specification. Does anyone have any figures showing the percentage of steel production that's faulty, rather than quoting individual examples of poor quality? Individual reports are unreliable because people are less likely to report good experiences. Failures are much more interesting than anything that "just works".

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Dave

                                                  #225862
                                                  Clive Hartland
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                                                    @clivehartland94829

                                                    Looking up rebar it seems it is made from any old metal junk they can throw in. There are specs. with figures quoted at 40K tensile and 60K tensile and specifies some carbon. I could see a load of cast iron going in and then being in the condition seen it that video?It's tough stuff anyway to work as it tends to self harden and has a hard bitty surface. Best left in the scrappy i think.

                                                    Clive

                                                    #225935
                                                    Lambton
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                                                      @lambton

                                                      I am not the only person to be concerned about the quality of imported rebar. See this from UK Steel

                                                      UK Steel highlights concerns over the quality of imported rebar

                                                      Published: 19/08/2014

                                                      We believe it is important that the steel reinforcement supply chain should be aware that there is a heightened risk of imported rebar being currently available on the market that is not compliant with the relevant certification scheme and British Standard.

                                                      UK Steel has since March brought three complaints to the attention of CARES (UK Certification Authority for Reinforcing Steels) – backed by evidence – of non-compliant imported rebar. The first two complaints related to breaches of the traceability requirements of the CARES certification scheme. The most recent complaint made in early August provided evidence of bars that did not comply with BS 4449.

                                                      All three complaints specifically relate to Chinese material.

                                                      Ian Rodgers, Director of UK Steel, in commenting to the press said: “Coming on top of the weak link in the CARES traceability regime relating to imported rebar, it is now becoming increasingly clear that there are risks in using non-European rebar. We suggest that fabricators and contractors should test any non-EU rebar they have in stock – and particularly Chinese rebar – to ensure that it is fully compliant with the British Standard.”

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