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  • #128683
    mick70
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      @mick70

      got give some ally rd stock, and was thinking of making something this weekend.

      do i need to use cutting oil with it?

      anything else i need to bear inmind?

      cheers

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      #29489
      mick70
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        @mick70
        #128684
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Paraffin works well as a cutting fluid. Higher speed than you would use with steel and a bit more toprake on your tool.

          J

          #128706
          1
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            @1

            I must be getting old, I didn't understand the question or the language it was written in.

            Ah well, back to the shed.

            Jim

            #128707
            Frank.N Storm
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              @frank-nstorm18349
              osted by Im Indoors. on 05/09/2013 21:28:07:

              I must be getting old, I didn't understand the question or the language it was written in.

              Hmm, resembles English, might be some kind of Pidgin?

              G,d&r, Frank

              #128709
              Martin Cottrell
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                @martincottrell21329
                Posted by Im Indoors. on 05/09/2013 21:28:07:

                I must be getting old, I didn't understand the question or the language it was written in.

                Ah well, back to the shed.

                Jim

                Praps his spilling chocker isunt worknig?

                Regrads Martian

                #128713
                magpie
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                  @magpie

                  Oh how i wish i were as perfect as some of you folk on this forum.

                  Cheers Dek.

                  #128714
                  jason udall
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                    @jasonudall57142

                    I’m with magpie (dek) there.
                    Help. Ignore. Your choice..Don’t mock

                    #128717
                    Gary Wooding
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                      @garywooding25363

                      There's ally and there's ally. Some of it is very "gummy" and welds itself to the tool tip, especially when parting off. If the tool is not really sharp, high speeds tend to create more heat which exacerbates the problem, in which case it's often better to reduce the speed rather than raising it. As already stated, paraffin is a good lubricant, as is WD40.

                      #128722
                      Martin W
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                        @martinw

                        Hi

                        I have found that the use of either of the suggested lubricants, WD40 or its equivalent or paraffin can improve the finish; and when parting off will normally stop it cold welding to the tool and jamming up. Not having a a cutting fluid pump etc I normally apply it using a small brush or a quick squirt every now and then from the aerosol. Again sharp tools help no end and I would suggest HSS is the best option.

                        As mentioned above some ally can be soft and gummy almost like lead in its consistency and I have never got a good finish from this stuff, though I didn't persevere when I found out what it was like. Possibly with a razor sharp tool and care a smooth finish may be achievable but what the hell you would use this material for is beyond me (invites replies from the more knowledgeable smiley) !!

                        Cheers

                        Martin

                        #128728
                        Danny M2Z
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                          @dannym2z

                          G'day.

                          Although I often use paraffin (kero to some), I have also found that a local (Australian) lube called Inox is quite handy to use on aluminium (in the spray-can variety). As well as being a handy cutting fluid it is great for fishing reels, model engines etc. I have no connection with the company btw.

                          **LINK** has more info.

                          Cu Later * Danny M *

                          #128729
                          _Paul_
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                            @_paul_

                            I dont know anywhere local that stocks parrafin and the last time I did manage to buy some it was dearer than petrol.

                            I use WD40 on aluminium, use aerosols if you like but I find if bought by the gallon it dosent work out too salty price wise.

                            Paul

                            #128733
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Not sure where you are paul but we can buy paraffin from most petrol stations and garden centres and some DIY stores in 5lts containers. About £1.75/lts

                              J

                              #128735
                              Speedy Builder5
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                                @speedybuilder5

                                Paraffin or perhaps central heating oil? Years ago when we were flying model aeroplanes, we made our own diesel fuel, equal mixes of ether/paraffin and castor oil – made a BIG mistake of buying the paraffin from the chemist. That was medical paraffin (Liquid paraffin) used to clear intestinal blockages – NOT what we wanted !!

                                Bob

                                #128739
                                Anonymous

                                  In my experience pure aluminium (1050A) is a pig to machine, a bit like warm toffee. On the other hand all the alloys I've used (2014, 5083, 6082 and 7075) have turned beautifully. For the most common alloy (6082) I turn dry, except for parting off where I use flood coolant. I don't have a problem with BUE, but I do use polished high positive rake inserts specifically for aluminium.

                                  The main problem is that the swarf often comes off as an uncontrolled bundle, which can get trapped between tool and work, which tends to give a burnished rather than polished finish.

                                  Regards,

                                  Andrew

                                  #128750
                                  OuBallie
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                                    @ouballie

                                    Andrew,

                                    That swarf is also razor sharp as you no doubt know, but newcomers may not.

                                    Take care naughtyboy and enjoy the hobby.

                                    Geoff – Making progress with the lathe repair at last!

                                    #128751
                                    MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                                      @michaelwilliams41215

                                      When using HSS tooling for Aluminium grinding in a chip breaker often gives cleaner cutting and less troublesome swarf .

                                      When not practical to actually grind a chipbreaker use a separate strip of steel clamped on top of tool and slightly bent at active end to perform similar function .

                                      MikeW

                                      #129000
                                      Roger Williams 2
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                                        @rogerwilliams2

                                        Hello, some " ally " to turn. Sorry to be pedantic,but does he refer to alloy as in steel or aluminium ?. Am I the only one who gets pissed off when people text even when they are typing on a keyboard ! Perhaps Im getting too old and actually care about the language slowly turned into abbreviations. Sorry for the rant, BFN, RW. face 8

                                        #129002
                                        Ian P
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                                          @ianp
                                          Posted by Roger Williams 2 on 09/09/2013 09:24:15:

                                          Hello, some " ally " to turn. Sorry to be pedantic,but does he refer to alloy as in steel or aluminium ?. Am I the only one who gets pissed off when people text even when they are typing on a keyboard ! Perhaps Im getting too old and actually care about the language slowly turned into abbreviations. Sorry for the rant, BFN, RW. face 8

                                          Being even more pedantic, an alloy does not just have to be of steel or of aluminium. It can be of any two or more metals.

                                          Being really pedantic, 'ally' is not an abreviation of aluminium. 'Ali' is more common but I doubt there is a correct abreviation anyway. I have seem 'alu', 'alum' and probably several others in the past but the only one that I can read without it stopping the 'flow' of the text is 'ali'.

                                          Ian P

                                          #129011
                                          mick70
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                                            @mick70

                                            thank you to the people who have helped.

                                            to those who have pulled my husband apart for his poor english, english is his third language.

                                            He would like to say goodbye to you all as he assumes being non english he is not welcome on here judging by comments made about him.

                                            #129015
                                            Michael Gilligan
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                                              @michaelgilligan61133

                                              I am saddened, but not honestly surprised, to see this response.

                                              MichaelG.

                                              #129016
                                              JasonB
                                              Moderator
                                                @jasonb

                                                Yes its a pity that some would rather nit pick than offer advice, to those I would direct them to this guidance post on another forum which I would hope they will bear in mind next time.

                                                J

                                                #129027
                                                Ian P
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                                                  @ianp
                                                  Posted by naughtyboy on 09/09/2013 11:06:38:

                                                  thank you to the people who have helped.

                                                  to those who have pulled my husband apart for his poor english, english is his third language.

                                                  He would like to say goodbye to you all as he assumes being non english he is not welcome on here judging by comments made about him.

                                                  Dear Mrs Naughtyboy

                                                  I think you have jumped to the wrong conclusion about your husband not being welcome here because that is certainly not the case.

                                                  Yes, some of the comment might have been critical of the grammar and spelling but all the readers see it what was written and cannot have any knowledge of the writer or the background facts. My remarks in the reply I gave were actually aimed at RW2 and were not intended to be critical.

                                                  The forum does offer the members the facility to give a little information about themselves, knowing someones location (or country at least) and hopefully their christian name makes it much easier for the person to give a helpful reply.

                                                  Ian P

                                                  #129042
                                                  Gary Wooding
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                                                    @garywooding25363

                                                    "thank you to the people who have helped.

                                                    to those who have pulled my husband apart for his poor english, english is his third language.

                                                    He would like to say goodbye to you all as he assumes being non english he is not welcome on here judging by comments made about him."

                                                    Please try to ignore thoughtless comments from people who should know better. I would think that most people, me included, understood the term "ally" as being some sort of aluminium alloy, so I responded with advice, not criticism, because I really didn't think that anything was wrong.

                                                    I'm afraid that open forums, such as this, tend to attract comments from people who apparently would rather criticise than to actually offer to answer the question.

                                                    Please don't leave, we're not all pedants.

                                                    #129062
                                                    Roger Williams 2
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                                                      @rogerwilliams2

                                                      Hello all, Im sorry to Naughtyboy if I caused offence and certainly didnt intend to, it was only a general rant !!!. Furthermore, if he can converse in three different languages, its two more than I can manage !!!.I think Ian Phillips has really explained it better than I have .

                                                      Anyway , if I dare offer advice after all that, Ive always turned aluminium dry, with a nice sharp HSS tool. sad

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