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  • #29405
    Michael Gilligan
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      #662776
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        I have always understood Wera tools to be ‘good’ but an eMail from RS this morning links to some surprisingly pricey items: **LINK**

        https://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/?searchTerm=wera-npi_uk&cm_mmc=GB-EM-_-RSN_20231004-_-DM532181-_-SINGLE_IMG_1&cid=DM532181&bid=1415017555&dtm_em=72b1d0f70605de9ba487474d21aff2dff08dc53801aea13b91d3a007c0d52068&searchType=Offers

        Are they that good question

        MichaelG.

        #662779
        Tony Pratt 1
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          @tonypratt1

          No they are not that good, price gouging they call it in America, but of course no one has to buy!

          Tony

          #662780
          Nick Wheeler
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            @nickwheeler

            You write that as if they're really expensive. Anyone who has bought Snap-on tools knows better.

            I only have a couple of Wera tools; the #2 Phillips screwdriver was worth every penny of the tenner I paid, when depanelling aeroplanes.

            #662782
            Anonymous

              Doesn’t help being sold by RS, they don’t give anything away. Only got a set of Wera Allen keys, £20 from Screwfix, they’re decent but I can’f see me buying a set of 4 adjustable spanner’s for £260 anytime soon.

              #662783
              Nick Wheeler
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                @nickwheeler

                You write that as if they're really expensive. Anyone who has bought Snap-on tools knows better.

                I only have a couple of Wera tools; the #2 Phillips screwdriver was worth every penny of the tenner I paid, when depanelling aeroplanes.

                #662784
                Brian G
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                  @briang

                  Those prices are frightening, the more so because they are before VAT.

                  I will agree that Wera are expensive but not THAT expensive!

                  I looked at a couple of them and for the T-handle driver set, RS are £168.80 with VAT and CPC £64.78. Similarly for the 1/4 Hex ratchet screwdriver RS are £185.15 with VAT and Amazon £85.51.

                  I assume that like Cromwell Tools, their prices are set high so the trade discounts look good?

                  Brian G

                  #662786
                  Neville Chase
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                    @nevillechase52412

                    I only have the Wera 6004 Joker Self-Setting Spanner 4-Pieces Set bought on Amazon for A$249.00. It's ok but is now cheaper at A$180.00. Also bought the 19-24mm separately but it was a piece of junk so sent it back. I really think there is cheaper stuff of better quality out there. Will not be buying any more Wera. If you really want Wera then check Amazon as they quite often have discounts on Wera.

                     

                    Edited By Neville Chase on 04/10/2023 09:16:06

                    #662787
                    larry phelan 1
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                      @larryphelan1

                      The real price of anything is what people are willing to pay for it.

                      #662793
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133
                        Posted by Nick Wheeler on 04/10/2023 08:58:02:

                        You write that as if they're really expensive. Anyone who has bought Snap-on tools knows better.

                        I only have a couple of Wera tools; the #2 Phillips screwdriver was worth every penny of the tenner I paid, when depanelling aeroplanes.

                        .

                        No, Nick … I am aware of the price of Snap-on tools, and of their quality

                        I was simply surprised that what I had previously thought of as ‘good’ mid-range tools were those prices, and asked if they were that good,

                        No value-judgement on my part … quite the contrary … it was a straight question.

                        MichaelG.

                        #662795
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          Other places selling them for £170 in VAT and delivery which makes them more affordable.

                          #662807
                          Chris Pearson 1
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                            @chrispearson1

                            RS are seldom the cheapest.

                            I tend to prefer Facom, but they are not cheap either.

                            #662814
                            John Doe 2
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                              @johndoe2

                              I think it is RS who are getting expensive.

                              They have always been my go-to supplier but they are pricing themselves out of my pocket these days. e.g. £7.99 for a 300ml can of compressed air !!! (for blow cleaning keyboards etc). RS seem to have decided to move away from the individual engineer or the small engineering team, towards large companies and construction. Nuts and bolts now only available in quantities of 100, 500 or 1,000 for example, which used to be available in 1's, 5's and 10's.

                              RS used to the the gold standard in the days before the internet, because of their hugely impressive and well organised stock control and distribution system; which would enable an order to be placed and posted to arrive the next working day. And I bet we all remember the equally impressive RS (paper) catalogues, which were so fascinating to read through !

                              Luckily, now we have the internet; and there are many other companies around who do an equal – or far better job – of supplying components. We just have to find them.

                              Rutland and GSProducts are two that have impressed me.

                              #662820
                              Stuart Bridger
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                                @stuartbridger82290

                                RS have always had a premium price, you were paying for pretty much guaranteed stock availability and next day service, that was well before the internet. Obviously others have cuaght up with them since.

                                #662833
                                Ady1
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                                  @ady1

                                  Facom Britool tend to be decent

                                  Halfords advanced can be surprisingly durable

                                  Had a goose neck 8mm ratchet for 5-6 years which does all my hexes (lots of conversions as well as originals, tool post stuff etc) and never misses a beat

                                  #662837
                                  Vic
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                                    @vic

                                    They aren’t bad but not worth the premium in my view. The screwdriver bits in my set are showing signs of wear and they don’t get that much use. Some of the handles are a weird shape as well in my view.

                                    #662841
                                    Bill Phinn
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                                      @billphinn90025

                                      Some of those RS price-tags for Wera stuff are absurdly high.

                                      Current prices:

                                      Part no. 05018110001 – £155.74 at RS; £74.40 at Amazon.

                                      Part no. 05075832001 – £510.78 at RS; £245.63 at Amazon.

                                      Part no. 05075830001 – £454.14 at RS; £203.15 at Amazon.

                                      #662842
                                      Ady1
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                                        @ady1

                                        One of the interesting things with this tactic is that when everyone else is sold out and you really need a tool or widget there's only one place left to go…

                                        and it sits there, taunting you…

                                        #662862
                                        larry phelan 1
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                                          @larryphelan1

                                          As they say around here, Ady1, "Let the hare sit "

                                          Or "He who pays the piper, calls the tune "

                                          #662878
                                          Andy Stopford
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                                            @andystopford50521

                                            I think they just assume that large account holders will pay because the person doing the ordering doesn't care what the price is.

                                            A grammar school lab tech friend of mine often complains of teachers doing this sort of thing.

                                            #662885
                                            Tony Pratt 1
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                                              @tonypratt1
                                              Posted by Andy Stopford on 04/10/2023 19:22:54:

                                              I think they just assume that large account holders will pay because the person doing the ordering doesn't care what the price is.

                                              A grammar school lab tech friend of mine often complains of teachers doing this sort of thing.

                                              There is a lot of truth in what you say Andy.

                                              Tony

                                              #662886
                                              John Doe 2
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                                                @johndoe2

                                                Yep. That's it.

                                                They (RS), don't deserve our custom any more. A great pity.

                                                #662898
                                                Steve Neighbour
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                                                  @steveneighbour43428

                                                  RS is probably the last place I would source tools !!!

                                                  Example: a Wera Kraftform Kompakt set is £227.06 on RS, but exactly the same set is only £113.99 on Amazon and a mere £99.00 at Plumbing Supplies Direct.

                                                  A very big cost difference, so spending a few minutes researching supplier prices can save you a lot of your hard earned £££'s

                                                  #662900
                                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                                    So … the [nearly] consensus opinion seems to be that they are what I always thought them to be … ’good’ mid-range tools

                                                    But RS and/or Werra are trying it on, and trying to take them up-market dont know

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 04/10/2023 21:17:31

                                                    #662915
                                                    Bill Phinn
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                                                      @billphinn90025
                                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 04/10/2023 20:50:20:

                                                      But RS and/or Werra are trying it on, and trying to take them up-market dont know

                                                      It's not just Wera products they're trying to make up market but unbranded, common or garden basics as well.

                                                      E.g.:

                                                      BZP grade 4.8 threaded rod, M12x1m: RS: £7.25; Zoro: £2.49

                                                      A4 threaded rod, M10x1m: RS: £20.17; Zoro: £6.49

                                                      A2 threaded rod, M5x1m: RS: £6.27; Zoro: £2.05

                                                      These examples were picked at random.

                                                      Maybe RS's threaded rods come very highly polished, or in presentation cases – or something.

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