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    Tony Martyr
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      @tonymartyr14488

      My next project is an 'engineer's' set of Chess pieces using various bit of workshop materials. The 'white peices are resonably easy as they are being made mostly of brass (not white!) but Blcak is proving a bit problematic.

      Is Carr's blacking liquid a surface treatment, rather than a covering, and does it produce a similar shade to the similar solutions for steel. I once blacked an engine flywheel using a hot mixture of very agresive alkali that I don't think I would be able to buy nowadays.

      Tony

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      Tony Martyr
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        @tonymartyr14488
        #656333
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Have you considered using Carbon Fibre, as a modern material ?

          MichaelG.

          #656334
          John Haine
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            @johnhaine32865

            Corian. Obtainable in a wide range of colours blacks included. Kitchen fitters have offcuts. You might need to glue bits together as the standard thickness is about 12mm. You can also get pen blanks made of it. Lovely to machine.

            #656336
            Emgee
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              @emgee

              Black Delrin is another alternative.

              Emgee

              #656337
              Craig Brown
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                @craigbrown60096

                Black Acetal was also my first thought but very light weight compared with brass if that bothers you? You could maybe add a weight into the bottom of the pieces?

                #656342
                Fulmen
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                  @fulmen

                  Are the black pieces also to be made from brass?

                  Never used the Carr products, but it appears to be a chemical conversion treatment. The one for steel is most likely regular selenium-based cold blue which work OK but won't be nearly as wear resistant or decorative as a caustic black treatment.
                  A proper caustic black bath can be made from 3 parts sodium hydroxide and 1 part potassium or sodium nitrate. There should be a thread or two on this somewhere on this forum.

                  There are several formulations that will produce a brown to black patina on copper alloys, here are a few:

                  https://davidmbowman.com/patinas/formulas.htm
                  https://www.sciencecompany.com/Patina-Formulas-for-Brass-Bronze-and-Copper.aspx

                  Aluminum can be anodized and dyed into almost any color.

                  #656348
                  Paul Lousick
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                    @paullousick59116

                    Blueing can also be done with heat and oil

                    Edited By Paul Lousick on 13/08/2023 11:13:26

                    #656355
                    Dave Wootton
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                      @davewootton

                      I've used both the Carrs and Birchwood Casey brass blacking solutions and despite every care and degreasing in a variety of ways have only ever got a dissapointing deep brown, ok from a distance but wouldn't call it a proper black. The Birchwood Casey gun blacking (or blueing I think they call it) does work very well as does a steel blacking kit I bought from Frosts, careful degreasing seems to be the key to a lasting finish. I heated and oil blacked parts of my Simplex and they are still ok 40 years on, again to get an even finish careful degreasing is key.

                      #656356
                      bernard towers
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                        @bernardtowers37738

                        If you used delrin/acetal you could glue the blank onto a steel mandrel then machine your piece and part off so you then have a heavier playing piece.

                        #656359
                        Frances IoM
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                          @francesiom58905

                          why not consider stainless steel as white and brass as black – this will give the pieces some weight (corian would also be heavy but light plastic pieces always feel wrong) – the board could use brass + stainless steel foil glued on a wooden base

                          #656362
                          duncan webster 1
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                            @duncanwebster1

                            make from copper then oxidise the surface. How, no idea, need a chemist! According to this it can be done by heating in air to above 300C, might be worth trying on some bits of scrap.

                            You need cupric oxide, which is black, not cuprous, which is red

                            Edited By duncan webster on 13/08/2023 14:24:24

                            #656364
                            Simon Williams 3
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                              @simonwilliams3

                              Hammerite Kurust Rust Converter or it's equivalent. This is a surface treatments for steel based on Tannic acid, so leaves the base metal a deep navy blue.

                              Other maker's equivalent preparations give much the same results. Jenolite make one, also Vactan, and Aquasteel.

                              Loctite also make one but it's expensive though a little goes a long way. I've recently used one called Neutrarust 661 which seems to work. I thought the resulting colour was more dark brown than blue or blue-black, but the part (a wheel rim) was pretty rusty!

                              Getting an even coating is going to be about cleanliness – try caustic soda rinse first. Maybe an uneven coating can add to the character of the piece.

                              Do do a show and tell afterwards, please!

                              #656370
                              Gary Wooding
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                                @garywooding25363
                                Posted by Frances IoM on 13/08/2023 13:24:39:
                                why not consider stainless steel as white and brass as black – this will give the pieces some weight (corian would also be heavy but light plastic pieces always feel wrong) – the board could use brass + stainless steel foil glued on a wooden base

                                The density of brass is around 8.5 and that of Corian is about 1.7, so it would feel very light compared to brass. SS is around 7.5 to 8.

                                #656376
                                larry phelan 1
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                                  @larryphelan1

                                  Black paint ?

                                  Just asking !cheekycheeky

                                  #656396
                                  noel shelley
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                                    @noelshelley55608

                                    Make both sets of ali and load for weight ! Then anodise in 2 colours ? Noel.

                                    #656423
                                    Russell Eberhardt
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                                      @russelleberhardt48058

                                      Make them from steel and then apply Abbey Blue Gel as used for gun barrels. A couple of applications should give a nice dark blue colour. Fix the colour by wiping with oil or waxing.

                                      Russell

                                      #656444
                                      Mick B1
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                                        @mickb1

                                        You could go Victorian and have red instead of black. Then make the red pieces from phosphor-bronze and the white from alli.

                                        #656466
                                        David George 1
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                                          @davidgeorge1

                                          you can get a patina solution from jewelry suplies sales.

                                          Patina Oxidising Solution 250ml UN2922

                                          this will give a dark finnish to silver, copper and bronze.not expensive but needs handling with care.

                                          David

                                          #656478
                                          Anthony Knights
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                                            @anthonyknights16741

                                            I made a chess set using nuts and bolts. The black pieces were treated with brick cleaner (hydrochloric acid) to remove the bright zinc plating and then blacked by heating and dunking in oil.chessmen3-1.jpg

                                            #656490
                                            Roderick Jenkins
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                                              @roderickjenkins93242

                                              Anthony, your fastenings chess set is utterly charming yes

                                              Rod

                                              #656503
                                              Mick B1
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                                                @mickb1
                                                Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 14/08/2023 09:46:57:

                                                Anthony, your fastenings chess set is utterly charming yes

                                                Rod

                                                It is indeed!! laugh

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                                                Fulmen
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                                                  @fulmen

                                                  I love it yes

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