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  • #647958
    Justin Thyme
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      I am needing to form what can best described as a large washer out of 3mm mild steel late.. 39mm dia centre hole, with a 89mm outer edge.

      Could any of this be done on a lathe or milling machine ?

      Could I just cut and grind the outer dia and then finish off on a lathe ?

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      Justin Thyme
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        #647959
        Bill Davies 2
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          @billdavies2

          Justin, depending on your lathe size and accesories, you could do it with a faceplate and clamps. Drill and bore the middle, then clamping off the bore, turn the outside diameter. Lacking a faceplate, a metal plate or even wood atached to a spigot to hold in the chuck would suffice.

          Bill

          #647960
          Justin Thyme
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            @justinthyme24678

            on turning steel, can you start off with something only vaguely round (or even square) and slowly chip away at the high bits until its round. It is what I would do with wood but not sure what can be done with steel.

            #647961
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              If you cut a bit of 3mm plate into a square, then cut the 4 corners off you can hole in the 4-jaw and bore the hole. Then change to 3-jaw with the jaws inside the hole and expand the jaws to hold the work while you turn the OD. Corners can be cut off before or after the hole is done

              Edited By JasonB on 09/06/2023 15:53:53

              #647962
              Clive Brown 1
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                @clivebrown1

                Hacksaw an octagon 90+mm AF. Mount in 4 jaw chuck and drill / bore 39mm hole. Then mount in 3 or 4 jaw using this hole and carefully turn the 89mm dia.

                Edit; Jason beat me to it, can't compete with the pictures either.

                Edited By Clive Brown 1 on 09/06/2023 16:17:07

                #647963
                noel shelley
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                  @noelshelley55608

                  An 1.5" washer may well be about this dimension ? Try a fastener company ! Noel.

                  #647964
                  Justin Thyme
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                    @justinthyme24678

                    and if i only have something to make a 36mm hole, can I turn out the rest of it ?

                    #647967
                    Martin Connelly
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                      @martinconnelly55370

                      Hole saw or Rotabroach type annular cutter in a tailstock is a good start to save time drilling and boring. I think this is what you are thinking. A large drill that size in a lathe and in material that is that thin may cause problems.

                      Martin C

                      #647974
                      duncan webster 1
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                        Posted by Martin Connelly on 09/06/2023 16:54:13:

                        Hole saw or Rotabroach type annular cutter in a tailstock is a good start to save time drilling and boring. I think this is what you are thinking. A large drill that size in a lathe and in material that is that thin may cause problems.

                        Martin C

                        Sounds expensive for a one off. I'd use Jason's method

                        #647985
                        old mart
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                          @oldmart

                          You could make one on a mill, but having a rotary table would simplify things. The hole could be bored first. If the lathe is big enough, that would be my first choice.

                          #647986
                          Clive Foster
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                            @clivefoster55965

                            Having an objectively excessive collection of Starrett hole saws I can generally find one quite close to the needed inside and outside sizes which minimises the amount of lathe work involved.

                            A certain care is needed when doing the lathe work to stop the nascent washer from twisting out of position in the chuck leading, at best, to misshapen inside and outside diameters. At worst the thing pretzelllises before self ejecting from the chuck.

                            Which is annoying.

                            The grooves in the jaws aren't guaranteed top hold the thin part in a secure and stable manner. The job is most at risk when taking the corners off the outside. The more sides you cut initially the lower the knock-knock-knock forces at each corner making it much easier for the chuck to hold properly. Clive Brown advises starting with an octagon rather than square which is what I used to do before getting into hole saw collecting.

                            Trapping a piece of suitably thick wood, MDF, particle board or similar between the embryo washer and the chuck jaws to act as a sacrificial support can help. No need to make it tight on the centre or terribly round. It just needs to sit under where the tool is cutting.

                            As with so many such jobs belt and braces set-up is frequently not needed. The job going fine when just held in the chuck. But taking that extra care costs little time when "thats the way you do it".

                            Clive

                            #648006
                            Milly S
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                              @millys

                              Hi Justin look up trepan it’s the easiest way

                              to cut a large washer out of a flat sheet of metal

                              in the lathe

                              hope this is helpful

                              steve

                              #648007
                              Milly S
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                                @millys

                                Hi Justin look up trepan it’s the easiest way

                                to cut a large washer out of a flat sheet of metal

                                in the lathe

                                hope this is helpful

                                steve

                                #648011
                                Howard Lewis
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                                  @howardlewis46836

                                  +1 for Jason's method!

                                  Howard

                                  #648015
                                  Fulmen
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                                    @fulmen

                                    For holding reasonably thick stock larger than the chuck:

                                    Tap it and screw it on a threaded rod or preferably long bolt with the head behind the jaws.

                                     

                                    And remember: Usually the most efficient way to remove metal is sawing. Interrupted cuts isn't doing your machine any favors either.

                                    Edited By Fulmen on 09/06/2023 21:16:56

                                    #648016
                                    Clive Foster
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                                      @clivefoster55965

                                      Effective though trepanning is grinding the tools can be tricky if you've not done it before and don't have a good guide with decent pictures. As ever it gets easier the larger the job is. Grinding a satisfactory tool to handle holes under 400 mm, 1 1/2 inches or so without putting excessive force into the sheet can be quite difficult.

                                      It's important to fix the sheet securely to the substrate as there is significant force trying to make things ripple. Worse with thin material.

                                      I can, and have, both ground the tool and done the deed successfully but I'd rather not. During my efforts I didn't have that nice warm fuzzy feeling of proper understanding with everything under full control.

                                      Clive

                                      #648018
                                      Howard Lewis
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                                        @howardlewis46836

                                        You could mount the raw material on a relatively small arbor to turn the OD and then make up a beel chuck to bore bthe central hole to size.

                                        Deburring may well have to be a manual opoeration.

                                        Howard

                                        #648020
                                        Fulmen
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                                          @fulmen

                                          @Clive: Same here. I recently made a couple of 5mm deep grooves, 23/29mm dia in mild steel. I broke 3 cutters and was sh*tting bricks the whole time.

                                          #648029
                                          Hopper
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                                            @hopper

                                            Boring bar would be a good way to open the hole up to 39mm from whatever your largest drill size is. The job is only 3mm thick so not a lot of time involved. Saves the expense of buying a hole saw etc.

                                            And cutting the corners off as Jason shows above is generally easier than trepanning, which is kind of like parting off on a curve so the tool needs to be ground just right for it to go smoothly.

                                            #648030
                                            Huub
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                                              @huub
                                              Posted by Justin Thyme on 09/06/2023 14:37:55:

                                              39mm dia centre hole, with a 89mm outer edge.

                                              I would do this on a lathe and start by the making the inner hole using drilling and turning.

                                              If the thickness of the washer has tight tolerances, now would be the time to face one side of the washer.

                                              For the outer diameter I would clamp the inner hole on the 80 mm 3 jaw chuck from my mini lathe (the faced side towards the chuck).

                                              Face the other side of the washer.

                                              Turn the outer diameter + 0.5 mm) using the trepan method or turn the outer diameter using modest depth of cut.
                                              Turn the outer diameter to the final dimensions.

                                              #648041
                                              Martin Connelly
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                                                @martinconnelly55370

                                                Duncan, I was replying based on Justin's question of what to do if he only had something to make a Ø36 hole. That to me implies he has something that will cut that specific size. The options for that are, in my mind, hole saw, annular cutter or drill, maybe a step drill. I was not suggesting going out and spending money on a special tool for this job. Having a selection of hole saws and annular cutters myself they are what I would use to make a large hole to start with in a 3mm thick plate. And I do have a Ø36 annular cutter if you are wondering.

                                                Martin C

                                                #648047
                                                Circlip
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                                                  @circlip

                                                  Rotabroach and Starret hole saws, gee, you guys have it easy. Trepanning was the method of choice when making ring gauges in 1/4" Gauge plate where I worked as an apprentice and NO Carbides with everything. SO HSS for M/S is a doddle.

                                                  Regards Ian.

                                                  #648053
                                                  Maurice Taylor
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                                                    @mauricetaylor82093

                                                    Hi , washer could be made using a bench drill, a vice ,a hacksaw and files.

                                                    Maurice

                                                    #648055
                                                    Circlip
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                                                      @circlip

                                                      Nice one Maurice, a true artisan. Don't forget the dividers (sharpened) for accuracy.

                                                      Regards Ian.

                                                      Edited By Circlip on 10/06/2023 10:07:29

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