How to relocate a Bridgeport series 1 milling machine…..

Advert

How to relocate a Bridgeport series 1 milling machine…..

Home Forums General Questions How to relocate a Bridgeport series 1 milling machine…..

Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 29 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #644905
    Rooossone
    Participant
      @rooossone

      I may have messed up.

      I am bidding on a Bridgeport mill without quite realising how heavy they are.

      If I win it, I am a bit stuck because I don't know how I am going to transport it. (will need to come from poole in dorset to bristol).

      Has anybody ever transported one of these and have advice? Renting a luton van with a lift is possible but I doubt the lifts are rated for 875kgs.

      The only other option would be a HIAB of some nature. I don't even know where to start with that! what would a reasonable qoute be? what do i search for online that isn't aimed at businesses?

      I found "Anyvan" online and they have just quoted me £1000 for the journey. I think that is fairly outrageous. (I was expecting to pay around half of that, but i have no reference of expectation).

      Any help or advice that can be offered would be greatly appreciated. I would also happily pay anyone that could offer their transport services!

      Advert
      #29178
      Rooossone
      Participant
        @rooossone
        #644908
        Grindstone Cowboy
        Participant
          @grindstonecowboy

          Have heard good things about Landylift (a chap called Steve Cox), but no personal experience of them. Maybe worth a call?

          Rob

          #644909
          Rooossone
          Participant
            @rooossone
            Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 12/05/2023 15:31:58:

            Have heard good things about Landylift (a chap called Steve Cox), but no personal experience of them. Maybe worth a call?

            Rob

            I could kiss you!!! he looks perfect for the job!

            #644910
            Clive Foster
            Participant
              @clivefoster55965

              Its not outrageously difficult to break a Bridgeport down into lumps that can be handled by an engine crane and dropped into a decently heavy duty trailer.

              Preferable option is some form of gantry hoist. Lift off the ram, head and turret in one lump, slide off the table, lift the column, knee and Y slide into the trailer as one unit. Thats more or less how I did mine but I left the table on. Which had advantages and disadvantages. Advantage was that I could fix timber H sections under the table to stop the machine rocking. Disadvantage was that the the table got in the way going round the turns from front of house to backyard shop.

              If engine hoisting pull the head, ram and turret separately.

              If you have to roll it any distance making a super duty 4 castor dolly beats the heck out of skates or rollers. Much more controllable. Mine has 3" diameter by 3" wide castor wheels.

              That said calling in the professionals makes life easy. I imagine Anyvan quoted you for half a days work by a professional outfit. Fort that I'd expect it taken right into its new home. I've been very satisfied when using Anyvan but I think a Bridgeport is a bit outside their usual range.

              Clive

              #644913
              Rooossone
              Participant
                @rooossone

                I just spoke with Steve on the phone, Absolute gentleman. We shall see what we can do if I end up winning the thing!

                #644916
                Brian Wood
                Participant
                  @brianwood45127

                  I can vouch for Steve, his limit is 1000 kg and he knows what he is doing too. Good man.

                  Brian

                  #644918
                  Rooossone
                  Participant
                    @rooossone
                    Posted by Brian Wood on 12/05/2023 15:59:09:

                    I can vouch for Steve, his limit is 1000 kg and he knows what he is doing too. Good man.

                    Brian

                    Totally agree with that based off my first phone call with him, I do feel bad that I would be dragging him down south for the work! I've thrown in the offer of an overnight hotel stay but I'm not sure he is interested, he just wants to get the job done in a day. I have a lot of respect for him for that.*

                    Assuming I win the bid, I will need to breakdown what I can off of it to make life as easy as possible for Steve. Not a problem.

                    Edited By Rooossone on 12/05/2023 16:06:45

                    #644919
                    Fulmen
                    Participant
                      @fulmen

                      I have moved mine twice using a pallet, a pallet jack and a ramp trailer with a winch. It wasn't easy or fun but it got the job done.

                      #644923
                      Grindstone Cowboy
                      Participant
                        @grindstonecowboy
                        Posted by Rooossone on 12/05/2023 15:34:28:

                        Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 12/05/2023 15:31:58:

                        Have heard good things about Landylift (a chap called Steve Cox), but no personal experience of them. Maybe worth a call?

                        Rob

                        I could kiss you!!! he looks perfect for the job!

                        I say! Steady on, old chap!! blushlaugh

                        I wondered if he'd go that far south, but he does say he covers the whole of the UK.

                        Rob

                        #644926
                        Dave S
                        Participant
                          @daves59043

                          The late JS of this parish used to move Bridgeports not infrequently.

                          An engine crane, a good enough capacity van are required, along with some spanner’s.

                          I suspect a search here or on the Uk rec models engineering list (googlewill search it ok) will find the details, but iirc it’s off with the ram, off with the table remove knee if required and then sling the bits into the van. Reassembly is the traditional Haynes reverse of taking apart…

                          Dave

                          #644928
                          duncan webster 1
                          Participant
                            @duncanwebster1

                            Landylift probably comes with some insurance, so if the worst happens you haven't lost everything. Plus you haven't put your back out.

                            #644936
                            Rooossone
                            Participant
                              @rooossone

                              I Will most certainly be acquiring Steve's services for this job. I'd be stupid not to!

                              #644940
                              Robert Butler
                              Participant
                                @robertbutler92161

                                Steve can probably move this in one peice. If necessary you can partially strip when you get it to the workshop if not Bingo!

                                Robert Butler

                                #644951
                                vic francis
                                Participant
                                  @vicfrancis

                                  Hi , it's a good milling machine, well worth getting! Say compared to a smaller mill, like tom senior which is always smaller and a challenge to do each job.I shifted a similar size mill, used a 3.5 t rated lorry and tail lift. First I took off the head with a engine type hoist which I hired.,and used the mills bed to help lower the head down as was out the hoists range at the top… And anything else,like vice ect. I used the two in tandem ie tailift and hoist, but you get to the point where it's solely on the tail lift… Then it's a worry. But then use the hoist to help lift the tailift! luckily the mill had a big cutout a the front for a big 5 foot lever to creep it in.Usually it's using 3 bars as rollers. It's a minimum of two people. A few months ago I bought a centec it was £300 quid in transport… Wilts to London…. they struggled a bit! I have tried landy lift twice but he never replied to any messages.A pallet truck is better than rollers but the mill need securing to it or it bolted to a pallet then lifting with the pallet truck. As they slide! You also need a good tool kit , rope to secure it all, old packing / cushions ect or there is a tendency to move in the wagon! Err the handwheel stem pushed through the ( rental) van side…

                                  Well worth the stress …

                                  Vic

                                  #644952
                                  Jelly
                                  Participant
                                    @jelly
                                    Posted by Dave S on 12/05/2023 17:15:49:

                                    The late JS of this parish used to move Bridgeports not infrequently.

                                    An engine crane, a good enough capacity van are required, along with some spanner’s.

                                    I suspect a search here or on the Uk rec models engineering list (googlewill search it ok) will find the details, but iirc it’s off with the ram, off with the table remove knee if required and then sling the bits into the van. Reassembly is the traditional Haynes reverse of taking apart…

                                    Dave

                                    Hiring a suitable 3 or 5 tonne (for the reach/height capacity) collapsible engine crane will actually allow loading into a van in one piece, load the mill through the side door, and use the back door to put the (ideally folded) engine crane in again for the return trip.

                                    .

                                    Although if there's a big enough area of flat ground at both ends the hire cost of an aluminium lifting gantry isn't that much more than a engine crane and allows you to use a flatbed transit, which is far easier (and probably a bit safer) from a loading/unloading perspective but perhaps not as quick because of the time rigging a de-rigging the gantry.

                                    .

                                    Personally I'm fully sold on putting the machine on skates or rollers and using a plant trailer (so you have a lip-free ramp rated for the full 2 – 3.5T and rear legs) in combination with a winch now.

                                    Took me about 20 mins setup and 10 mins of winching and adjusting rollers to offload my knee mill on my own last month, would have been slower with a Tirfor if I didn't have the winch on my truck, but just as effortless compared to previous moves.

                                    #644961
                                    Jelly
                                    Participant
                                      @jelly

                                      Photographic follow-up.

                                       

                                      Engine Crane:

                                      received_1998658940343541.jpg

                                       

                                      The trick there was getting a low enough attachment point to avoid hitting the van roof in a very small van, wouldn't have been an issue with a high top.

                                      Conversely with a Bridgeport the trick is to get a crane which has enough remaining lift height in the 1 tonne position to get it to clear the van floor, when you're hoisting from the lifting eye on the ram.

                                       

                                       

                                      Gantry Hoist:

                                      received_1063752160923433.jpg

                                      received_1976656572723815.jpeg

                                      received_574013891106584.jpeg

                                      received_1057435051813535.jpg

                                       

                                      All together a bit more time and effort to set up, but much more secure lifting even at substantial height.

                                      Would recommend having two people just for the gantry setup if nothing else.

                                       

                                       

                                      And finally winching:

                                      img_20230417_111029_2.jpg

                                      received_2519040324938673.jpeg

                                      received_572367351662191.jpeg

                                      received_157151767294819.jpeg

                                      received_1385925742206943.jpeg

                                      All very fast and smooth.

                                      Far less effort than previous moves with cranes, despite being the tallest and heaviest of the three (for reference the FNK25 is more than twice the weight of a Bridgeport and about a foot taller).

                                       

                                      I don't doubt Steve from Landylift will do a fine job, and if you're not familiar with lifting and rigging it's quite possibly the most sensible option, but it's very do-able as a DIY activity.

                                      I would take full advantage of the opportunity to observe how he does all the other bits that aren't operating the Hiab, because it's all that setup which is where the skill (and danger) is.

                                       

                                      Edit: Also, if you can pick them up cheap, machine skates and a toe jack are both godsends to have around if you own heavy machinery.

                                       

                                      Second Edit: I would categorically not use a hired 3.5T Luton Van as they lack the correct lashing points and have tail lifts which are wholly inadequate for the weight (although will probably lift it, just bend/droop with it) and are narrow with no toe-boards (essential to stop a pallet truck rolling off the back when the lift inevitably droops under the load).

                                      A dropside with tail-lift is more suitable from a load securing point of view and usually come with larger steel tail-lifts suitable for the load and pallet truck operations, but are much scarcer in the short term rental market.

                                       

                                      Third Edit: 5T and 7T Iveco Luton's or Panel vans or a traditional Cabover 7.5T Luton would be an option for someone with a pre '97 licence, because you can normally request one with a 1000kg tail lift without much trouble, but that avenue of pleasure is not open to me without taking my HGV licence.

                                      Edited By Jelly on 12/05/2023 21:31:24

                                      #644964
                                      Fulmen
                                      Participant
                                        @fulmen

                                        Well done indeed. This is why small machines fetch such a premium.

                                        #644966
                                        Jelly
                                        Participant
                                          @jelly
                                          Posted by Fulmen on 12/05/2023 21:18:31:

                                          Well done indeed. This is why small machines fetch such a premium.

                                          True enough, I feel like it's important to spread the word that it's not actually that difficult if you're well prepared though, even if it does result in more competition for bigger machines in the future.

                                          Also, perhaps a controversial opinion, but rigging work is great fun, and an excellent mechanical problem solving challenge.

                                          #644974
                                          Rooossone
                                          Participant
                                            @rooossone
                                            Posted by Fulmen on 12/05/2023 21:18:31:

                                            Well done indeed. This is why small machines fetch such a premium.

                                            This is a valuable lesson I have learned today.

                                            I will be enlisting the help of Steve for the transport but once at my workshop, I will be using an engine crane to move it into my workshop and into position, I will need to basically replicate what you did with your mill. Thank you for sharing the pictures of your moving techniques. It has given me some more confidence that what I am doing is viable.

                                            I will also rely on the advice of Steve as he clearly sounds like he knows what he is doing. We will probably make a plan before anything is even moved based on what needs to be done at the destination.

                                            #644975
                                            russell davies
                                            Participant
                                              @russelldavies78088

                                              Hello Rooossone

                                              I've just installed a Chester 626 with the help of a friend and a 2MT rated engine crane. Total weight 320 kg; stand about 50 kg; net lift 280 kg. It terrified me, but once I'd started, there was no choice but to continue. I've worked on engineering construction sites, but in a clerical capacity, so I've seen several lifts that made mine look like a joke, and thought I knew what I was doing, and to a certain extent that was true. Hands on, it was very different. All went well, despite one near miss, but I'm never doing it again. Unless you know someone with experience who can help (I mean take charge) seriously consider professionals. You will probably save quite a bit in underwear alone.

                                              Russell

                                              #644979
                                              Jelly
                                              Participant
                                                @jelly
                                                Posted by Rooossone on 12/05/2023 22:26:54:

                                                Posted by Fulmen on 12/05/2023 21:18:31:

                                                Well done indeed. This is why small machines fetch such a premium.

                                                This is a valuable lesson I have learned today.

                                                I will be enlisting the help of Steve for the transport but once at my workshop, I will be using an engine crane to move it into my workshop and into position, I will need to basically replicate what you did with your mill. Thank you for sharing the pictures of your moving techniques. It has given me some more confidence that what I am doing is viable.

                                                I will also rely on the advice of Steve as he clearly sounds like he knows what he is doing. We will probably make a plan before anything is even moved based on what needs to be done at the destination.

                                                It can be daunting the first time you do it, but if you think through everything that could possibly go wrong and figure out how to eliminate each potential issue, it will go smoothly when you do it.

                                                If you have a lingering doubt about something, don't start until you've figured out why and either gone through it enough to be sure it's not an issue, or found an alternative approach.

                                                 

                                                If you're planning to hoist it up a tiny bit and wheel it on the crane, then sweep, sweep, and sweep again.

                                                With that kind of weight on them even little bits of grit can cause the castors to bind up awkwardly, if you have a rough floor finish, consider getting a couple of sheets of hardboard or ply to run on.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Also be aware of any slight slopes, even a slight uphill that's not immediately obvious will be appreciably harder to push nearly a tonne of cast iron up, and anything obviously sloping underfoot could pose a risk of rolling back.

                                                If you're dealing with a slope that has a risk of roll-bacl, then Toolstation sell an inexpensive 2T ratcheting come-along, which can be anchored to the ground with a piece of angle iron and two concrete screws, I have a photos somewhere of me pulling my lathe Harrison mill up a 15°-20° incline on rollers and skates with one.

                                                Needless to say, pull on a central point as low down as possible (and on the crane not the machine) for stability.

                                                Edit: Photos.

                                                received_1538424856616118.jpeg

                                                received_796546898166242.jpeg

                                                It was not ideal or comfortable to have that much extra height under it, but given the available options was far more secure that way as compared to using a thinner less stiff ramp would have been

                                                In any case the come-along allowed me to be well outside of the danger zone whenever the machine was being moved and assess its stability before approaching to add rollers or position the skates for the transition off the ramp.

                                                 

                                                 

                                                The positive of wheeling it with an engine crane is that as long as the centre of mass is inside the legs, it will be much more stable than trying to push/pull it on skates/rollers.

                                                Do be aware that when moving a hoisted load like that, if it does tip forward, whilst the machine stands a much better chance of not falling over, the crane could be kicked out backwards and upwards.

                                                You can minimise the risk of that by lifting the load as little as possible to minimise the potential energy involved, and not standing directly behind the crane when you move it if you do have to lift it higher for some reason.

                                                Edited By Jelly on 12/05/2023 23:47:59

                                                #644985
                                                Rooossone
                                                Participant
                                                  @rooossone

                                                  I won the auction. Time to execute operation LandyLift!!!!!

                                                   

                                                  Thank you Jelly for sharing your experiences too. very helpful. a winch or come-along was something I've been thinking about in addition to the crane. I have a full week to figure this out so I am confident we will get it done!

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  Edited By Rooossone on 13/05/2023 01:07:11

                                                  #644992
                                                  not done it yet
                                                  Participant
                                                    @notdoneityet

                                                    Looks like a good machine once the wear is accepted or attended to.

                                                    Also a good way for the vendor to sell two machines with one auction cost.

                                                    Question: How far can the head be rotated, to lower it?

                                                    Obviously Steve at landylift doesn’t move this mill every day of the week but he will have moved quite a lot and will be a very safe pair of hands while it is in his care. He is also very helpful with delivering as close as possible to final position, apparently.

                                                    Good luck with your new acquistion!

                                                    #644998
                                                    Clive Foster
                                                    Participant
                                                      @clivefoster55965

                                                      A Bridgeport is primarily tippy from side to side. If supporting from beneath using rollers, rails or castors unless the surface you are moving over is in very good condition and decently flat it's well worth fabricating some timber supports to strap under the ends of the table. Set them so they skim the ground by an inch or less.

                                                      If it does try to tip the support will hit the ground before its gone far enough to worry or generate significant forces on the table and gibs.

                                                      It will then sit there nice and stable whilst you figure out what to do next.

                                                      I was very glad that I did that when moving mine in.

                                                      The path round the right back corner of my house has an off camber twist so trouble was expected and advance preparations seemed wise. To no great surprise it tilted gracefully part way round the corner and settled nice and stable on the downside support at a barely visible angle. After a tea'n think break we laid some extra plywood sheets on the grass alongside the path where the supports would skim and continued the move leaning on the upside of the table to keep the downside support clear of the plywood sheets. Adjusting the knee height as needed to keep the gap central. It took surprisingly little effort to keep it level. Turned out the rest of the path was by no means as level side to side as it looked so most of the remaining distance was covered in the same way.

                                                      These days I reckon sliding a machine along steel parts laid rail fashion along the direction of travel is generally a better way of going about things than improvised rollers or castors. Especially with a come-along as advised by Jelly. Not used the idea outside, and probably never will as my big machine moving days are over, but it works very well in the workshop.

                                                      Clive

                                                    Viewing 25 posts - 1 through 25 (of 29 total)
                                                    • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Latest Replies

                                                    Home Forums General Questions Topics

                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                                                    Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                                                    View full reply list.

                                                    Advert

                                                    Newsletter Sign-up