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  • #641212
    petro1head
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      @petro1head

      Have not seen the done to many Warco milling machines and have wanted to do this for a while. After I decided to replace the Nema 23 on the Z axis with a Nema 34 stepper motor I then had a spare Nema 23 and Controller for the Y axis project.

      So, you need a Name 23 Stepper Motor, I am using the 3Nm one and the controller bought from Stepperonline –HERE–

      I already have a power supply, 48v so going to use that. You will also need a PWM like this –HERE–, a change over relay, a double pole double throw on/off/on switch to control forward and reverse of the motor, a on/off power switch, a LED light (Optional) and some sort of limit switch.

      I decided to go with 1 to 1 ratio pulleys and belt which I bought from CNC4U. So everything would fit I bought the 10mm pulleys.

      Here is where I am up to today, I am awaiting the PWM and a replacement belt and the one I got was too short (Schoolboy error)

      y1.jpg

      y2.jpg

      y3.jpg

      y4.jpg

      y5.jpg

      y7.jpg

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      #29136
      petro1head
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        @petro1head
        #641227
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          Very good, and I'm tempted to copy it.

          I'm doing a fair amount of milling on my plain WM18 at the moment and working for more than a couple of hours on it has rubbed my nose in its shortcomings. The machine a little low for my height, which gives me backache, and cranking the handles slows progress down and is physically tiring, leading to silly mistakes.

          If the session is less than about an hour, which is usual for me, I don't feel the need for power assist, or get backache. Any longer than that, and motorising the mill would pay off. And it needs to be raised an inch or two.

          Dave

          #641238
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            Nice project !

            I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

            MichaelG.

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            Ref. __ https://www.cnc4you.co.uk/Pulleys-Pre-drilled-with-Grubscrew

            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:18

            #641244
            petro1head
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              @petro1head
              Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 14/04/2023 09:56:18:

              Very good, and I'm tempted to copy it.

              I'm doing a fair amount of milling on my plain WM18 at the moment and working for more than a couple of hours on it has rubbed my nose in its shortcomings. The machine a little low for my height, which gives me backache, and cranking the handles slows progress down and is physically tiring, leading to silly mistakes.

              If the session is less than about an hour, which is usual for me, I don't feel the need for power assist, or get backache. Any longer than that, and motorising the mill would pay off. And it needs to be raised an inch or two.

              Dave

              I have raised mine for the same reason, stout wooden blocks under neath raises it about 5"

              #641246
              petro1head
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                @petro1head
                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:51:11:

                Nice project !

                I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

                MichaelG.

                .

                Ref. __ **LINK**

                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:18

                Crap phone photo. They are nice

                #641247
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Thanks … I am relieved yes

                  MichaelG.

                  #641248
                  petro1head
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                    @petro1head

                    Got the belt this morning and its the correct size this time, YAY

                    belt.jpeg

                    #641251
                    John Haine
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                      @johnhaine32865

                      As a matter of interest what is the reversing switch doing? It should NOT be in the wires to the motor because if the motor is energised (even if stopped) and you throw the switch the inductive kick from the coils may blow the driver. Reversing should be done by changing the logic state on the DIR input of the driver which only needs a simple one-pole changeover switch, or an on/off plus a pullup resistor.

                      #641275
                      Roger Clark
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                        @rogerclark

                        Y axis? surely you mean the X axis which is the right and left travel?

                        #641276
                        petro1head
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                          @petro1head
                          Posted by John Haine on 14/04/2023 11:41:10:

                          As a matter of interest what is the reversing switch doing? It should NOT be in the wires to the motor because if the motor is energised (even if stopped) and you throw the switch the inductive kick from the coils may blow the driver. Reversing should be done by changing the logic state on the DIR input of the driver which only needs a simple one-pole changeover switch, or an on/off plus a pullup resistor.

                          Its done via the PWM

                          As this is my second stepper power feed, i know what i am doing

                          this is the wiring

                          wire.jpg

                          The push switches on the frequency generator board were removed and wires soldered to the points shown.
                          A double pole double throw switch with centre off was used to control the direction and on/off. Shown top right.
                          A relay was necessary because to start the motor the switch wires are opened not closed as expected.

                          Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 15:21:00

                          Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 21:38:25

                          #641283
                          petro1head
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                            @petro1head
                            Posted by Rockingdodge on 14/04/2023 14:57:34:

                            Y axis? surely you mean the X axis which is the right and left travel?

                            Nope Y

                            I have the supplied Warco power feed on the X axis

                            Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 15:25:27

                            #641290
                            petro1head
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                              @petro1head

                              Wohoo, just finished the wiring and done a quick test, it works

                              #641292
                              John Haine
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                                @johnhaine32865
                                Posted by petro1head on 14/04/2023 14:58:20:

                                Posted by John Haine on 14/04/2023 11:41:10:

                                As a matter of interest what is the reversing switch doing? It should NOT be in the wires to the motor because if the motor is energised (even if stopped) and you throw the switch the inductive kick from the coils may blow the driver. Reversing should be done by changing the logic state on the DIR input of the driver which only needs a simple one-pole changeover switch, or an on/off plus a pullup resistor.

                                Its done via the PWM

                                As this is my second stepper power feed, i know what i am doing

                                Good.

                                #641318
                                petro1head
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                                  @petro1head

                                  Fished control unit wiring

                                  y10.jpeg

                                  All i need to do is tidy up the external cables etc

                                  y11.jpeg

                                  y12.jpeg

                                  #644846
                                  petro1head
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                                    @petro1head

                                    Just an update. So far its been excellent. The only mods since the build is I replaced the toggle switch with a rocker one as i sometimes caught the toggle with my coat and the cover.

                                    y axis mod.jpg

                                    Edited By petro1head on 12/05/2023 11:18:45

                                    #644861
                                    Speedy Builder5
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                                      @speedybuilder5

                                      I assume you have a DRO on the Y axis and that is why the dial is obscured?

                                      Can you disengage the stepper motor and if so, how did you do that please?

                                      Bob

                                      #644882
                                      john fletcher 1
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                                        @johnfletcher1

                                        That looks good, neat and tidy, perhaps it could be a future article in MEW in a manner to which Carl ?? did for the rotary table. John

                                        #644899
                                        petro1head
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                                          @petro1head
                                          Posted by Speedy Builder5 on 12/05/2023 12:29:52:

                                          I assume you have a DRO on the Y axis and that is why the dial is obscured?

                                          Can you disengage the stepper motor and if so, how did you do that please?

                                          Bob

                                          Yes DRO fitted x, y and z.

                                          No, i dont dissengauge the handwheel

                                           

                                          Edited By petro1head on 12/05/2023 14:52:29

                                          #644901
                                          petro1head
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                                            @petro1head
                                            Posted by john fletcher 1 on 12/05/2023 13:18:11:

                                            That looks good, neat and tidy, perhaps it could be a future article in MEW in a manner to which Carl ?? did for the rotary table. John

                                            Well i am happy to provide infor but hopeless at writing

                                            #644907
                                            John MC
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                                              @johnmc39344
                                              Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:51:11:

                                              Nice project !

                                              I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

                                              MichaelG.

                                              .

                                              Ref. __ **LINK**

                                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:1

                                              Finish has that faceted look associated with hobbed teeth, gears and sprockets like these.

                                              #644914
                                              petro1head
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                                                @petro1head
                                                Posted by John MC on 12/05/2023 15:29:31:

                                                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:51:11:

                                                Nice project !

                                                I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

                                                MichaelG.

                                                .

                                                Ref. __ **LINK**

                                                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:1

                                                Finish has that faceted look associated with hobbed teeth, gears and sprockets like these.

                                                ?

                                                #644922
                                                John MC
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                                                  @johnmc39344
                                                  Posted by petro1head on 12/05/2023 15:42:59:

                                                  Posted by John MC on 12/05/2023 15:29:31:

                                                  Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:51:11:

                                                  Nice project !

                                                  I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  .

                                                  Ref. __ **LINK**

                                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:1

                                                  Finish has that faceted look associated with hobbed teeth, gears and sprockets like these.

                                                  ?

                                                  Its the characteristic finish when the tooth form is generated rather than formed.

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