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28 February 2023 at 18:54 #635395
Robert Suijlen
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Hello every one, is somebody overhere formiliar with Clarkson cutters and Dedlock chuck's? Am looking for a holder or chuck for this cutter, Int 40. Tried to find out what thread this cutter has, I measure 22,80 diameter and 12 TPI.

1"x12 UNF doesn't fit. Does Clarkson have their own threadsize?? Would be fine if some one could help with this. Best regards Robert
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28 February 2023 at 18:54 #29061
Robert Suijlen
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1 March 2023 at 08:20 #635444
Bdog507
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Good morning.

I'm sure Clarkson used Whitworth/BSF thread forms on their Dedlock chucks, but they weren't a standard TPI.

You may find a suitable Dedlock chuck, but they're not common nowadays. My milling machine has a 5/8 UNC power drawbar, & tooling for it is much less common than say an M16 drawbar.

Cheers.

Stewart.

Edited By Bdog507 on 01/03/2023 08:21:20
1 March 2023 at 08:30 #635448
Michael Gilligan
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Hint; **LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=103028&p=1

MichaelG.
1 March 2023 at 08:43 #635450
Martin Connelly
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7/8" is 22.225mm so I would guess 7/8" 12 TPI but would use a thread gauge to check if it is a 60° or 55° angle thread. You may be able to get a good macro picture with a digital camera or phone camera that you can measure with a protractor. There was a recent thread regarding the smaller threaded tooling for Autolock chucks and they use 20 tpi Whitworth (55° ) threads. Recent discussion on endmill threads

Martin C

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Edited By Martin Connelly on 01/03/2023 08:44:58
1 March 2023 at 08:58 #635451
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by Bdog507 on 01/03/2023 08:20:53:

Good morning.

I'm sure Clarkson used Whitworth/BSF thread forms on their Dedlock chucks, but they weren't a standard TPI.

You may find a suitable Dedlock chuck, but they're not common nowadays. My milling machine has a 5/8 UNC power drawbar, & tooling for it is much less common than say an M16 drawbar.

Cheers.

Stewart.

Edited By Bdog507 on 01/03/2023 08:21:20

Saw several advertisements from dedlock's with; 1" Whit x 12TPI. It does make sense, not easy to make yourself.Thanks for the response, best regards Robert
1 March 2023 at 09:10 #635456
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by Martin Connelly on 01/03/2023 08:43:33:

7/8" is 22.225mm so I would guess 7/8" 12 TPI but would use a thread gauge to check if it is a 60° or 55° angle thread. You may be able to get a good macro picture with a digital camera or phone camera that you can measure with a protractor. There was a recent thread regarding the smaller threaded tooling for Autolock chucks and they use 20 tpi Whitworth (55° ) threads. Recent discussion on endmill threads

Martin C

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Edited By Martin Connelly on 01/03/2023 08:44:58

Ok, I think it's indeed 1" Whit x 12TPI as Stewart wrote earlier. Even saw an advertisement in the US with M24mmx1.75 thread! I cannot find a bolt with these measurements. So is the seller right about this?? Thanks for responding, best regards Robert
1 March 2023 at 09:18 #635458
JohnF
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Robert, I came upon this site by accident but it looks like it may be worth keeping an eye on their stock

https://www.bimtalk.co.uk/cnc-metalworking-manufacturing/?s=Clarkson+deadlock+arbor

Clarkson tooling is normal Whitworth form threads but they used whatever TPI they deemed appropriate.

John
1 March 2023 at 09:24 #635460
Bdog507
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Posted by Robert Suijlen on 01/03/2023 08:58:20:

Posted by Bdog507 on 01/03/2023 08:20:53:

Good morning.

Saw several advertisements from dedlock's with; 1" Whit x 12TPI. It does make sense, not easy to make yourself.Thanks for the response, best regards Robert.

I got a couple of Dedlock cutters with my mill, but no chucks. I gave them away & bought an as new Seco indexable facemill. My machine has a 40int spindle so it swings a 100mm facemill with ease, & having round inserts means one can simply rotate them slightly when they become worn.

There's a lot of obsolete tooling around. So it pays to do one's homework before purchasing something. I bought a new Bison facemilll arbour with a 3/4 inch shank. It was very cheap….It took 2 years before a suitable indexable facemill came up for sale, as nobody makes them with a 3/4 bore anymore. Unless one shops in the US, then customs & shipping clobber one.

Cheers.

Stewart.

Edited By Bdog507 on 01/03/2023 09:29:42
1 March 2023 at 12:18 #635493
peak4
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A quick internet peruse could it be a double start 12 tpi in 1" size
https://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/cutting-tools/hss-ripper-regular-series/clarkson-dedlock-150-rippa-1-1-2inch-l-ser/p/MGZ0611688M

This ad says 1" BSW, but at first glance it seems finer, so might confirm the above
https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/clarkson-32473-dedlock-200-chuck-50int-1b-p57837

These folk may be able to assist with the official spec.
https://www.clarkson-tool-cutter-grinders.com/products/clarkson/accessories/

Bill
1 March 2023 at 12:57 #635503
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by peak4 on 01/03/2023 12:18:10:

A quick internet peruse could it be a double start 12 tpi in 1" size
https://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/cutting-tools/hss-ripper-regular-series/clarkson-dedlock-150-rippa-1-1-2inch-l-ser/p/MGZ0611688M

This ad says 1" BSW, but at first glance it seems finer, so might confirm the above
https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/clarkson-32473-dedlock-200-chuck-50int-1b-p57837

These folk may be able to assist with the official spec.
https://www.clarkson-tool-cutter-grinders.com/products/clarkson/accessories/

Bill

Hello Bill, saw the first two above allready, allthough the "double start" or "2 start" as the ad says I do not understand what it means! The second is a pity that it is an INT 50 otherwise I woud contact the seller. The third is interesting sure I gonne give it a try! BTW it isn't only the thread but also the 38mm flange wich goes into the cutter is an issue. Try to load up some pictures this evening for a better look. best regards Robert
1 March 2023 at 13:01 #635504
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by JohnF on 01/03/2023 09:18:50:

Robert, I came upon this site by accident but it looks like it may be worth keeping an eye on their stock

https://www.bimtalk.co.uk/cnc-metalworking-manufacturing/?s=Clarkson+deadlock+arbor

Clarkson tooling is normal Whitworth form threads but they used whatever TPI they deemed appropriate.

John

Thanks John, I've seeing them all passing by in my dedlock surch!
1 March 2023 at 13:06 #635505
JasonB
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As the cutter body has a female thread it is likely to be the minor diameter being measured, so 22.8 would be about right for 1" x 12tpi if it's just been measured with a digi calliper

Edited By JasonB on 01/03/2023 13:07:43
1 March 2023 at 13:12 #635507
peak4
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If you're sure the cutter is a genuine Clarkson, how about this on eBay?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314221387792

The same seller has at least two, (plus one with a cutter, which could be 150 or 200)

See also for a cheaper one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285043042653

Sheffield Tooling Co suggests that the cutter is a Dedlock 200 depending on the size
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334633338233

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 01/03/2023 13:14:27

Edited By peak4 on 01/03/2023 13:20:59
1 March 2023 at 14:04 #635520
Robert Suijlen
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1 March 2023 at 14:09 #635522
Robert Suijlen
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I guess everybody can see my album and intention I had in mind!
1 March 2023 at 14:17 #635523
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by Robert Suijlen on 01/03/2023 14:09:51:

I guess everybody can see my album and intention I had in mind!

Without the dedlock chuck of course.
1 March 2023 at 15:29 #635534
DC31k
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Posted by Robert Suijlen on 01/03/2023 12:57:06:

Hello Bill, saw the first two above allready, allthough the "double start" or "2 start" as the ad says I do not understand what it means!

If you are measuring the pitch as 12 tpi, a double start thread that measures thus is, roughly-speaking, two 6 tpi threads parallel to each other.

You can do a quick check to confirm or deny it: Poke a scriber point into the vee of the thread and rotate the cutter 360 degrees. See how far the scriber point advances. If it is 1/12", the thread is single start. If it advances 1/6", the thread is double start.

Post number 8 here suggest multi-start also:

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/large-slot-drill-sidelock-chuck-lathe-66573
1 March 2023 at 17:02 #635556
peak4
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Robert, where in the world are you, presumably not UK if you loaded the album in the evening in your time zone.

You're showing a photo of a Dedlock 200 arbor; doesn't that fit your cutter?

**LINK**

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 01/03/2023 17:32:39
1 March 2023 at 17:28 #635562
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by DC31k on 01/03/2023 15:29:32:

Posted by Robert Suijlen on 01/03/2023 12:57:06:

Hello Bill, saw the first two above allready, allthough the "double start" or "2 start" as the ad says I do not understand what it means!

If you are measuring the pitch as 12 tpi, a double start thread that measures thus is, roughly-speaking, two 6 tpi threads parallel to each other.

You can do a quick check to confirm or deny it: Poke a scriber point into the vee of the thread and rotate the cutter 360 degrees. See how far the scriber point advances. If it is 1/12", the thread is single start. If it advances 1/6", the thread is double start.

Post number 8 here suggest multi-start also:

https://www.homemadetools.net/forum/large-slot-drill-sidelock-chuck-lathe-66573

Well, never too old to learn something I guess, the double start can be seen optically at the bottem of the cutter. Also the measuring as you discribed, 4mm advance at one rotation. 1/6" = 4,23mm.
1 March 2023 at 17:33 #635565
Anonymous
The spigot on my Clarkson Dedlock holder is definitely 1" OD, 12tpi Whitworth thread form, and is 2-start.

Plenty of Dedlock holders on Ebay, which is a sure sign they are obsolete. I have enough Dedlock cutters to make it worthwhile having a holder. Like this one:

Andrew
1 March 2023 at 17:43 #635567
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by peak4 on 01/03/2023 17:02:12:

Robert, where in the world are you, presumably not UK if you loaded the album in the evening in your time zone.

You're showing a photo of a Dedlock 200 arbor; doesn't that fit your cutter?

**LINK**

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 01/03/2023 17:32:39

Did load them indeed earlier, dedlock is a wrong pictucre although I do have the sam dedlock, but doesn't fit indeed. The cutter does have a double start! Cool. And indeed I'm not living in the UK, hope that doesn't bother. Was just thinking that these cutter's and dedlock's are manufactured in the UK? So who will know the most about Clarkson? I think a forum in the UK! Greetings from the Netherlands.
1 March 2023 at 18:35 #635572
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by Andrew Johnston on 01/03/2023 17:33:56:

The spigot on my Clarkson Dedlock holder is definitely 1" OD, 12tpi Whitworth thread form, and is 2-start.

Plenty of Dedlock holders on Ebay, which is a sure sign they are obsolete. I have enough Dedlock cutters to make it worthwhile having a holder. Like this one:

Andrew

Hello Andrew, you don't have a spare for me?
1 March 2023 at 18:48 #635574
Alexander Smith 1
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As far as I'm aware there are at least 2 types of dedlock chuck and cutter – the 150 and 200 types which have different threads. I have a 40 international dedlock chuck (200 type) and several cutters but I have a Harrison mill which takes 30 Int tooling and I can't find any chucks that size which take the 200 size cutter. Can anyone confirm whether the 30 Int type was available in both sizes or only the 150 size cutters. If anyone has a 30 Int chuck for sale or swap please let me know.

Sandy
1 March 2023 at 19:13 #635576
Robert Suijlen
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Posted by Alexander Smith 1 on 01/03/2023 18:48:30:

As far as I'm aware there are at least 2 types of dedlock chuck and cutter – the 150 and 200 types which have different threads. I have a 40 international dedlock chuck (200 type) and several cutters but I have a Harrison mill which takes 30 Int tooling and I can't find any chucks that size which take the 200 size cutter. Can anyone confirm whether the 30 Int type was available in both sizes or only the 150 size cutters. If anyone has a 30 Int chuck for sale or swap please let me know.

Sandy

Are you looking for an int 30 dedlock chuck? Or is any brand chuck welcome? perhaps you wil tell me what thread your dedlock chuck has?
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