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This topic has 15 replies, 12 voices, and was last updated 25 February 2023 at 16:59 by Howard Lewis.

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24 February 2023 at 20:07 #634821
Justin Thyme
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I was hoping someone could help identify the following thread sizes. I have just been given a box with several hundred machine screws in three different threads. But there are no nuts, I would like to buy some but these are not standard M3 M4 M5 and I don't think they are Imperial

Major Dia – 4.6 mm … Pitch 0.81

Major Dia – 3.48 mm … pitch 0.69

Major Dia – 2.71 mm … Pitch 0.52

(the 3.5 mm one is not an electric socket size, it don't fit! and I measure them at Major Dia 3.36 & pitch 0.61)
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24 February 2023 at 20:07 #29054
Justin Thyme
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24 February 2023 at 20:17 #634822
Pete Rimmer
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First one is 2BA

Second is probably 6-36

Last one is 6BA
24 February 2023 at 20:18 #634823
JasonB
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Most likely 2BA, 4BA and 6BA
24 February 2023 at 20:20 #634824
bernard towers
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Looks like they could be specials, I converted them to 3/16 x 32, 9/64 x 26 and 7/64 x 20.
24 February 2023 at 20:23 #634825
Bill Phinn
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Not sure how you're measuring the pitch, and why you've given two different readings for the major diameter and pitch of the "3.5mm one", but, as others have said, these are most likely to be 2,4, and 6 BA screws.

4BA was used instead of M3.5 on older electrical sockets.
24 February 2023 at 21:09 #634829
Justin Thyme
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I didn't give 2 different dia for the 3.5 mm one, I made a comparison with an electrical screw which is smaller.

I basically measure the pitch by counting the threads (for the smallest I counted 37.5 over 20mm – giving a pich of 0.53 or 48 tpi – which would fit in very well with the 6BA

So Yes, and thank you all, they must be a collection of BA machine screws, they just looked very metric, normally I can tell just looking if they are imperial. And the one measuring just a bit below 3.5 confused me even more.

Any suppliers of BA nuts – not quite sure if it is worth bothering? just seems a shame not to use them
24 February 2023 at 21:30 #634831
Harry Wilkes
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I get mine from EKP Supplies

https://www.ekpsupplies.com
24 February 2023 at 21:36 #634832
Bill Phinn
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Here.
24 February 2023 at 21:43 #634833
Nicholas Farr
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Hi, they are also available from Poly Model Engineering and Reeves 2000

Regards Nick.
24 February 2023 at 21:46 #634834
Frances IoM
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having acquired at rummage sales a large assortment of taps + dies; one afternoon I made my “swiss cheese” block from a spare bit of ali bar and drilled + tapped all common threads 6.3mm and smaller – now sorting odd screws is a trivial task – they can then be sorted into those multi-compartment boxes that Maplin used to sell along with any matching nuts.
24 February 2023 at 22:28 #634839
Martin Kyte
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Posted by Justin Thyme on 24/02/2023 21:09:10:

I didn't give 2 different dia for the 3.5 mm one, I made a comparison with an electrical screw which is smaller.

I basically measure the pitch by counting the threads (for the smallest I counted 37.5 over 20mm – giving a pich of 0.53 or 48 tpi – which would fit in very well with the 6BA

So Yes, and thank you all, they must be a collection of BA machine screws, they just looked very metric, normally I can tell just looking if they are imperial. And the one measuring just a bit below 3.5 confused me even more.

Any suppliers of BA nuts – not quite sure if it is worth bothering? just seems a shame not to use them

BA fasteners are metric, 0BA is 1mm pitch

regards Martin

Start with 1mm and successively multiply by 0.9 to get all the higher number pitches.

Edited By Martin Kyte on 24/02/2023 22:33:51
24 February 2023 at 23:47 #634842
Justin Thyme
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Posted by Martin Kyte on 24/02/2023 22:28:13:

BA fasteners are metric, 0BA is 1mm pitch

regards Martin

Start with 1mm and successively multiply by 0.9 to get all the higher number pitches.

Edited By Martin Kyte on 24/02/2023 22:33:51

Thanks again for that, metric thread first proposed in Britain in 1884 !
25 February 2023 at 07:50 #634850
DC31k
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Chronos sell a BA thread ptich gauge for not too much money which might help firm up the identification.
25 February 2023 at 08:19 #634854
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Justin Thyme on 24/02/2023 21:09:10:

[…]

they just looked very metric, normally I can tell just looking if they are imperial.

[…]

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If you hone your ‘looking’ skills a little [with the help of some magnifying optics] you should be able to tell that the thread-form is sharper on BA than either imperial or metric.

47.5°

MichaelG.
25 February 2023 at 16:59 #634954
Howard Lewis
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As Michael says, BA thread form is 47.5 degrees.

Whitworth form is 55 degrees

Unified and Metric are 60 degrees.

Might be worth getting hread gauges for BA, Whitworth, Unified and Metric.

These will allow you to find thread form and pitch (or tpi for Imperial sized fasteners ).

Howard
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