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  • #634009
    petro1head
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      @petro1head

      Have a loot at this please

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      You can see the ripple effect and I can feel it with my finger.

      Any suggestion what I am doing wrong?

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      #29046
      petro1head
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        @petro1head
        #634011
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          crossslide adjustment ? Noel.

          #634014
          petro1head
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            @petro1head
            Posted by noel shelley on 18/02/2023 14:50:01:

            crossslide adjustment ? Noel.

            Are you refering to backlash

            #634015
            Dave Halford
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              @davehalford22513

              Don't think so, are the gibs loose or is the saddle is moving

              #634018
              Martin Connelly
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                @martinconnelly55370

                I am assuming this is done with power feed and that the lathe you have uses the leadscrew for this.

                Does the ripple spacing match the leadscrew pitch? If so there is a possibility the leadscrew is bent or something connected to it is out of position or badly made. By badly made I mean something like a gear with the bore slightly eccentric. A bent leadscrew should be visible, gearing in the carriage is harder to spot and fix.

                If you change the feed rate and the pitch of the ripples change it points to something in the change gears/gearbox.

                A bent leadscrew will move a carriage around if the carriage gibs are not set correctly and produce ripples like this but I have had something similar but not feelable from one end of the leadscrew running slightly eccentrically.

                Martin c

                #634034
                Anonymous

                  Is the pattern a helix or a series of concentric circles? What type of lathe and tooling?

                  Andrew

                  #634041
                  Nigel Taylor 2
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                    @nigeltaylor2

                    I have the same problem with my lathe (Warco WM 290V). It appears to be that the lathe tool is moving very slightly into and away from the workpiece, or maybe very slightly up and down.. I have been unable to measure any movement causing the patterning but have concluded it is a problem in the apron. Possibly a gear with eccentric bore as suggested by Martin Connelly. My lathe had the problem from new, but it took me a long time to realise the issue wasn't caused by the lather operator, by which time the lathe was a long way out of guarantee.

                    self-act irregularities.jpg

                    #634042
                    DiogenesII
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                      @diogenesii

                      ..on closer inspection a redundant comment.. apologies

                      Edited By DiogenesII on 18/02/2023 19:22:57

                      Edited By DiogenesII on 18/02/2023 19:25:34

                      #634043
                      Nigel Taylor 2
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                        @nigeltaylor2

                        Yes, using the fine feed. I have tried every option I can think of to get round the problem but can't seem to make it better – or worse…

                        #634047
                        Pete Rimmer
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                          @peterimmer30576
                          Posted by Nigel Taylor 2 on 18/02/2023 19:18:54:

                          I have the same problem with my lathe (Warco WM 290V). It appears to be that the lathe tool is moving very slightly into and away from the workpiece, or maybe very slightly up and down.. I have been unable to measure any movement causing the patterning but have concluded it is a problem in the apron. Possibly a gear with eccentric bore as suggested by Martin Connelly. My lathe had the problem from new, but it took me a long time to realise the issue wasn't caused by the lather operator, by which time the lathe was a long way out of guarantee.

                          self-act irregularities.jpg

                          If that was a gear with an eccentric bore you would likely have more pronounced grooves on the half-turn where the gear is binding and less/no grooves on the half-turn where it loses engagement. You grooves look evenly spaced and even depths.

                          #634052
                          petro1head
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                            @petro1head

                            nigel, same lathe as you so same problem

                            However, cone to think of it it only seems to happen when using the fine feed

                            #634060
                            Chris Mate
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                              @chrismate31303

                              What happens to the pattern if you recut it without any adjustments-?(Few times-?)

                              #634064
                              Pete Rimmer
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                                @peterimmer30576
                                Posted by petro1head on 18/02/2023 20:16:31:

                                nigel, same lathe as you so same problem

                                However, cone to think of it it only seems to happen when using the fine feed

                                Get a spring/firm hold caliper and set it to span across 5 or 10 of those ridges. Now take the caliper and offer it up to the rack teeth and then the leadscrew teeth. See if the grooves match either of them.

                                #634066
                                Hopper
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                                  @hopper

                                  Try adjusting the headstock bearings a little tighter.

                                  #634071
                                  bernard towers
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                                    @bernardtowers37738

                                    Can also be single phase motor related, mine disappeared when I changed over to Tesla power.

                                    #634081
                                    Anthony Taunton
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                                      @anthonytaunton43819

                                      I bet it wouldn't do it if you had a three phase motor fitted!

                                      #634083
                                      Pete Rimmer
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                                        @peterimmer30576
                                        Posted by Hopper on 18/02/2023 21:14:59:

                                        Try adjusting the headstock bearings a little tighter.

                                        If it's not rack and not screw there's not much else it can be.

                                        I have seen a couple of machines of this class (not warco specifically, but same grade of machine) where the tpaer bearings were too tight on the spindle. You coud not get proper adjustment because the bearing would stick then jump with a loud crack when adjusted. They would go from too loose to too tight in one moment. I had to ease the fit of one of them to let the bearing move with a lot less sticktion then they would adjust up just nice.

                                        #634099
                                        Hopper
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                                          @hopper

                                          I get a finish like that on my old Drummond M-type when the adjustable tapered bronze headstock bearing bushes need nipping up a bit. Tightening the bearings fixes it every time. (Not that often but have done it several times over the years.)

                                          On a modern taper roller bearing headstock it should be easy enough to measure with a dial indicator reading directly on the spindle or chuck mounting flange. Clamp a piece of bar say 12" long in the chuck and try yanking it up and down on the far end while reading the dial indicator on the spindle or chuck flange. With taper rollers there should be zero movement. Myfords etc with plain bearings, maybe half a thou or so.

                                          #634100
                                          Neil Lickfold
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                                            @neillickfold44316

                                            Have you tried to hand feed at about the same rate that the power feed is working at? That will eliminate the feedscrew issue and may show up any backlash issues in the lathes saddle gibs.

                                            Neil

                                            #634102
                                            Niels Abildgaard
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                                              @nielsabildgaard33719

                                              My first Boxford did the same and I changed bearings and motor without effect.

                                              One day I turned the leadscrew from the rigth end with a monkey wrench and tumbler disconneted,lathe stopped and no cutting.It went very smothly most, of the way and then definately not.By succesive disconnecting the drive train ,the periodic binding was localized to be in the Norton gear box.Taking that appart ,filing a couple of damaged teeth and reassmbling was a nasty job but it fixed the ripples.

                                              I have had same pattern in some of my chineese lathes and I have always localized the problem within a couple of minutes by using hand and brain.

                                              #634105
                                              petro1head
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                                                @petro1head

                                                Cheers for all the excellent idea. Looks like I am going to be busy today checking things

                                                I will report back

                                                #634106
                                                petro1head
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                                                  @petro1head

                                                  Update

                                                  No play in the headstock bearings

                                                  Using the feed at low speed created the problem above. Mid speed not as bad. Feeding myself much better

                                                  So what do I need to do next

                                                  #634107
                                                  DiogenesII
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                                                    @diogenesii

                                                    Whilst checking everything else, do also check the saddle gibs as Neil L hints. I've seen a similar result from a loose saddle 'walking' down the bed, i.e. because it's being pulled from one edge, alternately sticking and slipping at very regular intervals.

                                                    #634108
                                                    petro1head
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                                                      @petro1head

                                                      I have never figured out how to adjust the sale

                                                      However just done another test and locked the cross slide. I get a perfect cut

                                                      This leads me back to a previous post re the acme screw and net being able to get the play out of it 

                                                      This is the play I am referring to 

                                                       

                                                      Edit I have checked the play using the DRO and the back lash is 0.3mm

                                                       

                                                      Edited By petro1head on 19/02/2023 07:45:20

                                                      Edited By petro1head on 19/02/2023 08:01:11

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