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    Gary Wooding
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      @garywooding25363

      I need to measure the thickness of something that is surrounded by a raised border thicker than the item I want to measure. A calliper like this would do the job, but I don't know what its called and can't find anything like it. Any ideas?

      callipers.jpg

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      #29044
      Gary Wooding
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        @garywooding25363
        #633738
        Bizibilder
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          @bizibilder

          Double ended caliper.  lots on ebay, Amazon, Proops, RDG tools etc

          Edited By Bizibilder on 16/02/2023 16:02:12

          #633739
          Mick B1
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            @mickb1

            Dunno what it's called – maybe double-ended caliper – but why not just make or find a flat piece of known thickness greater than the depth of border that fits inside the border, insert it, measure the total thickness, then subtract the thickness of the insert?

            Edited By Mick B1 on 16/02/2023 16:02:04

            #633740
            Phil Stevenson
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              @philstevenson54758
              #633748
              ega
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                @ega

                Woodturners use this sort of thing.

                #633751
                Gary Wooding
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                  @garywooding25363

                  Thank you. I tried X-calliper and cross-calliper. I didn't think of 'double ended'.

                  Mick: Unfortunately, the item I need to measure is on a curved surface.

                  #633754
                  Phil super7
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                    @philsuper7

                    Try Axminster Tools Under Woodturners Calipers

                    #633756
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      I need mote Coffee … I’s just taken me five minutes to realise that Gary’s illustration represents the shape of the calliper, and is not a drawing of a Möbius strip blush

                      MichaelG.

                      #633758
                      Martin King 2
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                        @martinking2

                        Michael G,

                        Do i correctly recall a Mobius Bottle?

                        Also I seem to remember something about a piece of amusing doggerel or poem about it?

                        Regards, Martin

                        #633759
                        Ian P
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                          @ianp

                          A friend wanting to measure the thickness of his car fibreglass bodywork made a lash-up double ended caliper with a 80cm throat at one end and a 30mm stroke dial indicator at the other. He made a calibration table to interpret the readings.

                          Ian P

                          #633760
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by Martin King 2 on 16/02/2023 17:49:38:

                            Michael G,

                            Do i correctly recall a Mobius Bottle?

                            […]

                            .

                            Very nearly yes

                            **LINK**

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle

                            MichaelG.

                            #633796
                            Sam Stones
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                              @samstones42903

                              Ditto, Michael.

                              Even now my brain says it's a 3D ribbon loop, that flips between an inside and an outside centre-riveted continuous strap.

                              Holding the image flat in two pieces of sheet metal fashioned (as Gary intends), into a double ended caliper is a struggle.

                              Something stronger than coffee at work?

                              Cheers,

                              Sam

                              #633807
                              Hopper
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                                @hopper

                                Yes, mobius was the first word that came to my mind when I looked at it.

                                Such double ended calipers are used by cylinder-head modifiers on car and motorbike engines for measuring how much thickness of metal is left between an enlarged port and thin air or the next port etc when grinding out the ports. So might be available from automotive tool suppliers.

                                #633831
                                Gary Wooding
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                                  @garywooding25363

                                  Now I come to look at it, it does look like a Mobius strip. Here's a photo of the 3D equivalent – a Klein bottle.

                                  klein - mobius bottle.jpg

                                  #633836
                                  Bootlegger Blacky
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                                    @bootleggerblacky
                                    #633852
                                    ega
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                                      @ega

                                      Eine Kleine Frage:

                                      The liquid in the bottle seems to be above the level of the outlet; is air pressure keeping it in?

                                      #633901
                                      Gary Wooding
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                                        @garywooding25363

                                        You fill it by pumping the liquid through a thin pipe inserted from the bottom and threaded through the 'loop' part. Emptying is the same, but you have to suck instead.

                                        #633904
                                        ChrisLH
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                                          @chrislh

                                          Can't imagine what it might be but is there a practical application of the Klein bottle ?

                                          #633905
                                          ega
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                                            @ega
                                            Posted by Gary Wooding on 17/02/2023 16:52:47:

                                            You fill it by pumping the liquid through a thin pipe inserted from the bottom and threaded through the 'loop' part. Emptying is the same, but you have to suck instead.

                                            Thanks. I think I had forgotten that the essential feature is that there are no conventional openings in the bottle.

                                            #633942
                                            David Davies 8
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                                              @daviddavies8

                                              Found this on the 'net.

                                              A mathematician named Klein
                                              Thought the Möbius band was divine.
                                              Said he: "If you glue
                                              The edges of two,
                                              You'll get a weird bottle like mine."

                                              I'll get my coat.

                                              Dave

                                              #633945
                                              V8Eng
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                                                @v8eng

                                                Maybe a bit late to the thread but Ceramicists use similar items. Not with same size at both ends.

                                                Link to one of the many suppliers here.

                                                BPS

                                                Edited By V8Eng on 17/02/2023 21:40:45

                                                #633952
                                                Jeff Dayman
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                                                  @jeffdayman43397

                                                  You will find several choices of the type you sketched Gary if you search Amazon for "Figure 8 Caliper"

                                                  #633955
                                                  Hopper
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                                                    @hopper

                                                    And if you do a google search for "Digital outside calipers" you will find this interesting mix of new and old tooling. Internal version is also available. Looks very handy for measuring oddly shaped things. And not very expensive at circa 30 Quid.digital oustide calipers.jpg

                                                    I have seen the figure 8 type referred to in an American cylinder head porting book as "indicating calipers" but a google search shows nothing under that except normal digital calipers and the above.

                                                    Edited By Hopper on 18/02/2023 03:57:45

                                                    #633967
                                                    Dalboy
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                                                      @dalboy

                                                      THESE are used by woodturners they are not double ended as your picture and yes they are expensive but they do have a metric scale to read off.

                                                      I have a set for when I am turning hollow forms

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