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  • #166255
    derek blake
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      @derekblake72550

      Hi everyone.

      I'm building a 2inch scale ruston proctor traction engine, drawings are good except for the plumbing arrangement.

      I'd like to understand this better, and possibly do away with the water tanks either side of the boiler, has anyone done this or have any info on the book that came with this kit in 1987.

      I'm still cleaning every part of the engine, so I'm in no rush yet.

      Can I plumb in a simple hand water pump to keep the pipework simple for now?

      Thanks

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      #2815
      derek blake
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        @derekblake72550

        plumbing

        #166257
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Can you post some pictures as this model does not usually have a belly tank. Is it actually from a kit or built to Hainings design which started publication in 1987?

          Talk to your boiler inspector as its more than likely they will require two means of filling the boiler, this is usually by pump off the crankshaft and injector though a hand pump may be possible to replace the injector.

          J

          #166258
          derek blake
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            @derekblake72550

            I will post some pictures, once back from Lyme regis.

            Thanks very much

            #166260
            Paul Lousick
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              @paullousick59116

              Hi Derek,

              Which Ruston Proctor are you building ?

              I am building a 6" Ruston Proctor SD which has a water tank in the tender. Some engines also had auxiliary tanks on either side of the boiler. It should not matter where you get your water from but should have 2 independent methods of getting water into the boiler. (injectors, mechanical pump, hand pump, etc)

              Paul.

              #166279
              derek blake
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                @derekblake72550

                Thanks Paul.

                I'm building a 2 inch scale version which shows two water tanks either side of the boiler, I'm looking at using just the tank in the tender and doing away with these tanks the main reason is to keep the plumbing simple at first as this is my first engine, I'm not exactly sure how all the piping is done from the drawings view, I wondered if there was a build book with this engine in the past, the drawings say 1987.

                Derek

                #166280
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Assuming it is Hainings SD rather than Linconshire Lad then there was no book as such but the series of build articles in ME starting April 1987 would be as good as.

                  #166281
                  Gray62
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                    @gray62

                    Hi Derek,

                    I have the ME magazines with the John Haining build series, see PM

                    Graeme

                    #166300
                    Gray62
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                      @gray62

                      The additional tanks on a Ruston Proctor SD are aranged either side of the boiler in this fashion.

                      side tank drawing.jpg

                      side tank drawing2.jpg

                      #166306
                      Paul Lousick
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                        @paullousick59116

                        Piping layout for 6" RP SD.

                        Note that this has a steam operated pump and uses lifting type injectors. I have made the pump according to LSM drawings but am not sure if it will work and I am not going to use positive feed type injectors instead of the lifting type,

                        Paul

                        6-rp-15 piping.jpg

                        #166321
                        derek blake
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                          @derekblake72550

                          Thanks Paul.

                          I will come back to the plumbing once I have restored the rest of the engine, I will post some pictures to ask what goes where piping wide.

                          Thanks

                          #166553
                          derek blake
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                            @derekblake72550

                            really struggling understanding the plumbing on the 2 inch ruston..i am new to traction engines so im sure i will get it soon.

                            its the fact there are different size fitting, but they say to use the same size pipe work thats confusing me.

                            it says to use 5/32 size pipe on ALL fittings, but i have water lifter bushing with a 5/16x32tpi fitting..do i use the 5/32 pipe still and order a fitting with a 5/16×32 thread and a 5/32 size nipple and union fitting?

                            I wasnt sure if the water lifter pipe should be of a bigger size..dscf1305.jpg

                            #166555
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              To me it says 5/32" or 3/16" pipe.

                              Its quite usual to have say 3/16 water feed to water pump with a 5/32 from that to the clack or back into the tender via the bypass. Being anything after the pump is being pushed it does not need such a large dia.

                              Water lifter steam feed could be 1/8" or 5/32" you are unlikely to use it anyway unless you have a liking for filling the engine from puddles. I would use a standard 5/16 x 32 nut and make a nipple with a smaller hole to take the smaller pipe or just solder on a sleeve to step it upto a larger nipple.

                              Injector I'd say 5/32" steam feed to it then 3/16" for water feed to it and the same from injector to clack

                              If its just gravity from the pannier tanks to teh tender than 3/16"

                              #166557
                              derek blake
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                                @derekblake72550

                                Thanks very much, its starting to make abit more sense now

                                #166558
                                derek blake
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                                  @derekblake72550

                                  so what you are saying is that its better to use the larger pipe 3/16" on the injector side and into the check valve on the right hand side of the boiler, but with the left hand side use the 5/32" from the pump into that check valve?

                                  #166560
                                  derek blake
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                                    @derekblake72550

                                    on the drawings it shows two water level glass's one either side from the steam manifold down to the bottom of the boiler, do any pipe fittings go to the bottom of these water levels? do i need to attach a pipe to each one to drain the boiler say?

                                    Thanks for your patience

                                    #166561
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      plumbing.jpg

                                      The water gauges usually don't go anywhere near the bottom of the boiler, they only need go just below the top of teh firebox crown which is where the bush(S) should be located on the back of the boiler. Its usual to run a small pipe , 1/8" would do from the cock on the watergauge down to teh bottom of the engine so that when you blow steam/water through the glass to clear it that goes out to waste between the tender and back of the boiler. Can you post a picture of this drawing, I don't think two gauges are really needed on a small engine and not all large ones had two.

                                       

                                      EDIT Looks like the full size did have two glasses, this is the layout on a 4" engine, you can see the two small pipes to waste

                                      Edited By JasonB on 14/10/2014 16:32:24

                                      Edited By JasonB on 14/10/2014 16:32:44

                                      #166563
                                      derek blake
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                                        @derekblake72550

                                        here you can see the manifold holes on the front to take the top of the water level and the two brass fittings lower down to take the bottom of the levelsdscf1299.jpg

                                        #166564
                                        Nigel Bennett
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                                          @nigelbennett69913

                                          It's usual to have some fairly small pipes leading from the bottom of each gauge glass to "blow through" the glass to clear scum or debris, and to check that the water level restores to its original position. There's usually a blowdown valve mounted low down on the firebox for the purpose of draining the boiler. Having it low down enables all the accumulated pooh to be blown away with the water/steam when the boiler is drained at the end of a run.

                                          #166566
                                          derek blake
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                                            @derekblake72550

                                            Ah i see, thank you…i'm starting to learn for sure

                                            #166568
                                            derek blake
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                                              @derekblake72550

                                              on the above piping diagram, you will see the steam to water lifter pipe and the steam to injector pipe..

                                              both with a globe valve fitted? i want to make sure i order the correct fittings..Thanks alot

                                              #166569
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                Yes and by the looks of it a third valve in the bypass pipe

                                                #166580
                                                derek blake
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                                                  @derekblake72550

                                                  Thanks for your great help and patience..Derek

                                                  #166640
                                                  Paul Lousick
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                                                    @paullousick59116

                                                    Hi Derek,

                                                    The valves used are normally taper plug type not globe valves which only require a quarter turn to open.

                                                    Although the Ruston Proctor design shows the steam outlet for the water gauges and the injectors connected to the same manifold, it is not allowed under the Australian code for model boilers. Taking steam from the manifold will reduce the pressure and may cause a false reading in the water gauge. I am taking steam for the injectors from another outlet on the boiler.

                                                    Paul.

                                                    #166641
                                                    Paul Lousick
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                                                      @paullousick59116

                                                      Water gauges for model engines can be purchased if you do not want to make them yourself. Also clack valves (check valve) , pumps and injectors, etc.

                                                      waterr gauge set.jpg

                                                      Note that this is the preferred position for the valve levers when in the operating position. (all levers pointing down).

                                                      Steam valve (top) – Open

                                                      Water valve (bottom) – Open

                                                      Drain valve – Closed

                                                      Regards, Paul.

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