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  • #44315
    Martin Cottrell
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      @martincottrell21329
      Hi,
       
      I’m very interested in building a Little Samson traction engine but as yet am undecided on going for 3″ or 4″ scale. I will obviously have to upgrade my Myford ML7 to something larger but will probably get some of the largest items such as rear wheels machined elsewhere.
       
       My main concern is whether the 3″ model will be large enough for occasional rally field use during the summer. I’ve heared that the smaller 2 & 3″ scale engines are ok on a tarmac surface but a bit of a nightmare when “off road”.
       
      Any thoughts/comments would be greatly appreciated!
       
      Regards, Martin.
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      Martin Cottrell
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        #44318
        JasonB
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          @jasonb
          As the 3″ LS is not much bigger than a large 2″ they can suffer slightly on long grass or rutted ground. A larger engine is also easier to manage the fire.
           
          Why not ask on Traction Talk Forum, both Edward(littlesamson) and Dave(daveko974) who wrote the books “a dream comes true” are regular posters there. And a look back through the posts will show the size issue has been covered several times
           
           
          Jason
          #44895
          Martin Cottrell
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            @martincottrell21329
            Hi Jason,
             
            Thanks for the link to the Traction Talk Forum. For anyone interested in either full size or model traction engines and steam vehicles in general, it is an absolute gold mine!!
             
            Regards, Martin.
            #44897
            mgj
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              @mgj
              Well my 3″ works. 2 1/2 years work, connected to the compressor and it now runs like a demon.
               
              Safety valves, oil pump and gear mech , get the gauge calibrated, and we can go through the pre-boiler cert checks and it will be a runner.
               
              great step forwards.
              #48950
              calder percival 1
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                @calderpercival1

                build a 3″ Fowler

                #54795
                Rob S
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                  @robs87285

                  I faced the same choice a few years ago and am now building a 4” Samson. Totally delighted with the choice. As mentioned above, the original prototype was small so when buying fittings for the 4” Samson you will be in the 3” section of most catalogues.

                   Every component on the 4” (including boiler, but not the whole engine of course!) is still a one-person lift. Makes life easier in the home workshop.

                   Finished engine and driving trailer can be towed on a 750Kg unbraked trailer with a decent safety margin. Helps, keep the costs down.

                  Rob

                  #138424
                  MEinThailand
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                    @meinthailand
                    I bought the drawings for the 6" Little Samson and I'm waiting for them to arrive here in Thailand.



                    I am looking to buy a new lathe to build the 6" Little Samson and so need to know the size (diameters) of the main items to be turned so that I can start looking at options e.g.



                    Flywheel,

                    Front Wheel,

                    Biggest Gear

                    Rear Wheels



                    If anyone can help I would very much appreciate it.



                    PS just to give you an idea this is the spec of a lathe I'm looking at:-

                    Swing Over Bed 460mm

                    Swing Over Cross Slide 224mm

                    Swing In Gap Diameter x Width 690mmX240mm

                    Height of Center 230mm

                    Distance Between Centers 760mm/1010mm/1510mm/2010mm
                    I posted this on the forum at tractiontalkforum.com >**LINK** and was told the dims were on the Little Samson website **LINK** but I can't find them.
                    Very grateful if anyone could help.
                    #138429
                    JasonB
                    Moderator
                      @jasonb

                      Where did you ask on TT, I can't see it. Edward George (littlesamson) is a regular there and would have answered as well as the couple of members who have/are building the 6". If you e-mail edward who owns little samson I'm sure he will help as hes a nice guy.

                      I would suggest you get the back issues of ME that had the build in them and also a copy of Edwards book plus either read up Dave's builds on TT or get his "dream come true" books from e-bay. They show lots of machining setups and describe the builds in detail

                      Rear wheels are 29" over the strakes if you opt to turn teh cast ones. If you go with the more traditional wheels then the rims can be rolled and welded so no need to have such large turning capacity. The 3" scale fronts are 9" so about 18" on the 6"

                      3" flywheel is also 9" so you would be looking at approx 18" on the larger engine.

                      Don't have the gear size but the final drives are usually about teh same size as the flywheel

                      #138431
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        Found it in the technical section, ask again in the models section where Edward & dave are more likely to see it.

                        Dave's 6" build thread

                        #138508
                        Roger Beere ScruffyB
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                          @rogerbeerescruffyb

                          Hi.

                          I built my 4" little Samson using a Boxford CUD 4.5" and a VTM mill. The only thing I could not manage was fly cutting the saddle on the cylinder block, my local engineer did it for me for a few euros.

                          I have a gravel drive and the metal rims were not too happy, it was not too keen on wet grass either but I do have a problem with moles and the surface is not too flat.

                          You could try the 4" Foster by Live Steam Models of Derby. It is a bit bigger than the 4" LS but makes a stunning worker. A French guy has one and he works it all day pulling kids around the showgrounds. I have a mint set of drawings for this model going cheap if anyone is interested.

                          I have just completed the 6" Little Samson, took me 13 months to build. I bought a Bridgeport J Head mill with power feeds and DRO, perfect for the job. I have a Chinese lathe which took the 18" dia flywheel with the leadscrew taken out (must put it back sometime). I got the gears cut by John England of Bradford West Yorkshire. He did a good job and the price was right. He machined the blanks and did the gear cutting for just over £400.

                          There are photos of both my engines on Edwards website plus a stunning photo of me.

                          Regards.

                          Roger. ScruffyB

                          #138520
                          michael cole
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                            @michaelcole91146

                            Hi, Thanks for posting,

                            There has been quite a few more photos added to the Little Samson site shis ince I last looked there. My little samson build has been on hold for the last year ( playing around this steamboats instead) but looking to be building the valve gear this spring.

                            Mike

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