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  • #307751
    Michael Black 1
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      @michaelblack1

      hi all

      I have an OS Gemini twin glow engine it's a fairly old engine and the parts are no longer made. I need a connecting rod made I wonderd if any one on the forum could do that for me. Sorry if that's a bit cheeky butI am willing to pay.

      Mick

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      Michael Black 1
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        @michaelblack1
        #307755
        Andrew Tinsley
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          @andrewtinsley63637

          Hello Mick,

          If you buy the material (someone is sure to know the aluminium spec), then all you need is a drill with a couple of drill bits of the correct size, plus file and some emery cloth.

          I have made con rods for quite a few engines, before I eventually got kitted out with machinery. I used an electric drill in a cheap Aldi drill stand for the drilling. Oh! you need a good rule and some patience too!

          Before anyone tut-tuts at this. The relevant con rods have lasted to this day and some have had very hard use in combat planes. Making con rods that work well, is easy, with very simple tools. One gentleman who repaired engines had a swaging method to reduce the worn hole diameter and then simply redrilled the hole to size!

          The bigger the engine, the easier it becomes as the measuring need not be so accurate. Now to dive into my bunker as the howls of the purists are heard

          Andrew.

          #307759
          JasonB
          Moderator
            @jasonb

            You won't get a simple conrod like you describe onto the crank shaft, needs a split big end to fit over the double throw crankshaft. probably better to also use bronze rather than Ali so the weights of the old and new rods have a chance of being balanced

            J

            Edited By JasonB on 18/07/2017 16:56:31

            #307762
            JasonB
            Moderator
              @jasonb

              This spare on e-bay canada any good

              #307765
              Andrew Tinsley
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                @andrewtinsley63637

                Whoops I should have realised that a con rod for a twin is a different animal and will mean a split big end. So much more complicated than I realised.

                Apologies,

                Andrew.

                P.S. A guy in the US who goes by the Ebay name of Shatterman. Does lots of spares for Enya and OS engines. He has lots more stock than appears on the Bay and is well worth contacting, he is a good guy and helpful with it!

                Andrew.

                #307768
                Michael Black 1
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                  @michaelblack1

                  Wow thanks for the replies guys Jason that's the later mk2 con rod mine is different, but your right it needs to be split to go over the crank. It's such a shame it's a lovely sounding twin engine perfect for the cub it was in. I have tried the RC forums to see if anyone has a damaged engine. Mods thanks for changing the title.

                  Thanks again Mick

                  #307769
                  Andrew Tinsley
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                    @andrewtinsley63637

                    Just thought that Tower hobbies in the US may have one. Just looked and the part seems to be 46105000. It is $61 and by the time you have added customs and PO charges, it would probably be around $100 They say limited qty available, so don't hang about.

                    Also try the Ripmax website in the UK. It is amazing what they have! You will need to order thro' a hobby shop, but worth looking.

                    Andrew

                    #307772
                    Bob Rodgerson
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                      @bobrodgerson97362

                      Michael,

                      I believe I have an old style con rod from a Gemini Twin, they must be a weak point because my engine snapped one and I replaced it with two of the newer style ones. I am away from home until tomorrow but I will check and if it is still where I think it is I will let you have it F.O.C.

                      Bob

                      #307774
                      Michael Black 1
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                        @michaelblack1

                        Thanks Bob that would be appreciated. Andrew that one is for the Mk 2 engine and unfortunately won't fit mine.

                        Mick

                        #308048
                        Michael Black 1
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                          @michaelblack1

                          mickHi Bob

                          Wondered if you had chance to look for the con rod?

                          #308054
                          Clive Farrar
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                            @clivefarrar90441

                            If you are willing to invest £37.50 then you can do no worse than to go to Just Engines.

                            They specialise in R/C model aero engines of the ASP and OS brands.

                            They do not list the Gemini but may have info but maore importantly they DO stock spares for the ASP 160,

                            see this link http://www.justengines.co.uk/acatalog/A.S.P.-160-FS-Spares.html

                            From my previous experience ( i am an engine R/C flyer ) ASP engines are clones of OS and the parts are interchangable.

                            For the sake of sending them some measurements from the remaining good conrod you could have the solution to your problem.

                            I hope that helps

                            Regards Clive

                            #308069
                            Bob Rodgerson
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                              @bobrodgerson97362

                              Hi Mick,

                              I've just finished a session in the workshop but took time out to find the con rod. It was a little battered here and there with a bruise on one of the faces of the little end so I ran an adjustable reamer through it to clean that up.

                              Three are a couple of marks on it but it looks to be OK. I would gently smooth out these marks to prevent them becoming stress raisers.

                              Contact me via the message board and let me have your address and I will try to get it in the post on Friday, hopefully you will get it by Saturday, unless of course you live in the South Manchester area and you could always drop by and pick it up.

                              Here is a picture of it before I ran the reamer through the little end.

                              On the other side of the big end there are two reference marks 180 degrees apart on the face of it in line with the centre line of the con rod.

                              img_2643.jpg

                              #308077
                              Michael Black 1
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                                @michaelblack1

                                Thanks Bob

                                i have sent a pm

                                just as a matter of interest did it take much doing converting your engine to later spec rods? Clive thanks for the suggestion if I still have problems I will investigate just engines.

                                Mick

                                #308118
                                Bob Rodgerson
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                                  @bobrodgerson97362

                                  Hi Mick,

                                  the newer rods are dimensionally identical to the original and are made from tougher bronze than the original type so there is no problem with conversion. I have sent you the old one I had and it will be with you tomorrow. I would recommend fitting the newer type, however, if you can't get them then at least you will have a matching pair of older type rods which will be OK.

                                  If I had to replace the rods I would make a new pair from Aluminium Bronze which is much tougher stuff than the old rods bronze that was originally used. A High Tensile Aluminium Alloy would be best but am not sure how it would affect balance/vibration

                                  #308124
                                  dean clarke 2
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                                    @deanclarke2

                                    Hi mick, I would recommend building an matched pair of rods from 7075 t6 aluminium if you want to use the engine much. This is what I use in all my engines that require a split big engine. Balance isn't an issue as the weight is the same for both sides. If you get stuck send me a pm and a sample I'll build you a pair.

                                    Cheers

                                    Dean

                                    #308139
                                    Bob Rodgerson
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                                      @bobrodgerson97362

                                      Dean,

                                      it would be easiest if you were to copy the one I have sent to Mick if he wants to go down that route.

                                      #308140
                                      Michael Black 1
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                                        @michaelblack1

                                        Hi dean

                                        Thanks for the offer it would be nice to upgrade the motor PM sent

                                        Mick

                                        #308176
                                        Bob Rodgerson
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                                          @bobrodgerson97362

                                          Mick/Dean,

                                          I know that the big end is a nice fit on the polished shank of a 12mm Carbide cutter. Not sure about the rest though.

                                          #335657
                                          dean clarke 2
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                                            @deanclarke2

                                            Well I've finally found some spare time to get on with this help out project, here's some photos to show progress etc.

                                            conrod blanks square up

                                            conrod blanks square up2

                                            conrod blanks square up3

                                            conrod blanks ready to drill

                                            Now for drill the big end caps etc

                                            conrod blanks drilling big end

                                            caps……..

                                            conrod blanks drilling big end2

                                            conrod blanks ready to drill bearing holes

                                            Drilling and reaming the big and little ends

                                            drilling big and little ends

                                            Now we're already to profile the outside

                                            conrods ready to profile

                                            Now I better get back to the shed to finish these off for Mick

                                            cheers for now

                                            Dean

                                            #335661
                                            Michael Black 1
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                                              @michaelblack1

                                              Thanks Dean looking good

                                              Mick

                                              #336925
                                              dean clarke 2
                                              Participant
                                                @deanclarke2

                                                OK so on with the show………………. outside profiling under way

                                                img_20180107_170334.jpg

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                                                img_20180107_220421.jpg

                                                next its onto radiusing the little end and the outside flanges of the big end, although as I have a few other conrods to get to this stage before taking the machine vise off it may be a few days before more swarf is made from these blanks.

                                                Cheers

                                                for now

                                                Dean

                                                #337766
                                                Michael Black 1
                                                Participant
                                                  @michaelblack1

                                                  Nearly missed this update looking good, strange how big they look I know they are small great work Dean 👍

                                                  Edited By Michael Black 1 on 21/01/2018 22:49:43

                                                  #337770
                                                  dean clarke 2
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                                                    @deanclarke2

                                                    HaHa, well they are in fact fairly big compared to what I normally make, I'll post a photo showing your rods compared to some for the engines I'm currently building.

                                                    cheers

                                                    Dean

                                                    #337973
                                                    Howard Lewis
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                                                      @howardlewis46836

                                                      Introducing some pedantry, IDEALLY when the rods are fitted, the big ends should be tightened to the same torque as that used when they were machined. Taken as read that the caps will be assembled oriented as they were whilst being machined.

                                                      In this size, difficult to measure to measure the torque, without rather special torque spanners for low torques, or you could use a spring balance on an arm of known length.

                                                      In an ideal world, even after machining the bores, they could be measured with a bore set, or something of that nature and torqued in stages until as round as possible, and the figures noted. During assembly, the fixings are then tightened to the figures noted for each fixing. (That's what i did for an engine for a sports/racing car)

                                                      The reason for this procedure is that if the torque applied during assembly differs from that when the bore was machined, the resulting bore will be oval. The plane of the major axis of the oval will depend on whether the fixings have been under or over torqued compared to that applied before machining.

                                                      The devil is in the detail, but it does make a difference to output and life expectancy!

                                                      Howard

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