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    Ian P
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      @ianp

      I have tried several online suppliers including some that I have previously purchased from, and whilst I can find exactly the item I need the bottom line price when I only want to buy a very small quantity makes them very unattractive.

      The best I have found so far has an £18 minimum charge, on to which carriage and VAT are added. Paying £25 or so for three springs is not something I can bring myself to do!

      The springs have to fit over a 3/8" diameter shaft, have a wire thickness close to 1mm and a free length of about 15mm. The spring fits in a 14mm diameter hole so

      In theory a simple compression spring is something I should be able to make myself but commercially made springs would be much better because they have closed ends that are ground flat.

      Ian P

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      #24647
      Ian P
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        @ianp

        Without paying a fortune!

        #247056
        Dave Attwood
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          @daveattwood58220

          You could try here **LINK**

          Dave

          #247059
          Roderick Jenkins
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            @roderickjenkins93242
            Posted by Ian Phillips on 17/07/2016 22:42:07:

            In theory a simple compression spring is something I should be able to make myself but commercially made springs would be much better because they have closed ends that are ground flat.

            Closing and grinding the ends isn't difficult. I posted this a couple of years ago:

            Choose the gauge of spring (music/piano) wire and the i.d. of the spring. Find a bit of MS steel to act as the mandrel and drill a cross hole to anchor the wire. Mount a bit of bar in the lathe toolpost so that the top of the bar is at centre height and file a V groove into the bar top surface.

            v61.jpg

            Set the lathe up for screw turning to the desired pitch. Without engaging the lead screw turn a couple of close turns.

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            Then engage the lead screw and turn the spring to the required length

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            Now disengage the lead screw and add a couple more turns

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            Snip off the wire at both ends and you have a spring with closed ends

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            Now touch each end of the spring on a grindstone and you have a completed spring

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            I turn the mandrel by hand for this process and you might need to do a little experimentation with the spring mandrel diameter. I've used this method on 3 engines now and the springs have fulfilled their purpose admirably. Spring/Music/Piano wire is available from the usual ME suppliers.

            Hope this helps,

            Rod

            #247068
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              Dave Attwood's link takes you to GLR, who have a useful range of springs, but they don't tell you enough information. As well as diameter, free length and wire diameter you need number of coils, or rate. I've brought this to their attention some time ago, but no response. Next time I need springs I'm going to try Roderick's method.

              #247075
              Neil Wyatt
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                @neilwyatt

                Last year we featured a series on designing your own springs in MEW. Ideally you need the paper copies as the method uses cut-out-and -keep charts and rulers.

                Neil

                #247076
                Ed Duffner
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                  @edduffner79357

                  I found Springmaster's web site a while back when I was looking at a project with springs. I've not used this supplier but they say "no order is too small". I'm not linked to them in any way.

                  I also watched a Youtube video recently which appears to be the same or similar process to Rod's technique. He has a number of other workshop videos, quite entertaining too.

                  Ed.

                  #247105
                  Ian P
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                    @ianp

                    Rod
                    I must say your method makes it look easy. In previous attempts I have made one-off springs purely freehand and would not have contemplated trying to make several identical examples. Now though, after seeing your series of clear photographs I think I will get some piano wire and make my own, thanks.

                    Dave
                    None of the GLR ones are suitable

                    Duncan
                    Good luck with your attempts to improve their catalogue presentation, in my experience most companies dont take much notice of advice from customers.

                    Neil
                    I have the paper MEW articles but in this case I already have the spring design.

                    Ed
                    Springmasters are slightly cheaper, (minimum charge of £15 plus carriage, packing & VAT. Minimum order per item £2.50) but it still works out quite expensive.

                    Thanks all, I'm going the DIY route.

                    Ian P

                    #247132
                    Tim Stevens
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                      @timstevens64731

                      You don't even need a lathe – I have made springs using a hand drill mounted in a bench vice. But I admit that the examples shown by Rod Jenkins are much less wobbly, in fact, not wobbly at all.

                      Remember too that if you vary the pitch of a compression spring you get a progressive-rate spring, as the effective length is reduced (so the rate increases) as the coils close up.

                      And for an extension spring, it can be useful to pre-load the coils by winding the coils 'tight – ie apply a side load to close up the coils tighter as you wind. This will give a spring that requires an initial load before it starts to extend – useful for a strong spring in a short space.

                      And if your springs are out in the weather, stainless spring steel is much better than plating etc.

                      Regards, Tim

                      #247133
                      duncan webster 1
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                        @duncanwebster1

                        What we need is a CNC spring winder. Hint Neil

                        #247166
                        Muzzer
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                          @muzzer

                          For reference, this is what the business end of an automated spring winder looks like. The wire is fed in by the (3 pairs of) rollers at the left By moving and rotating the 2 fingers as the wire is fed in, you can vary the pitch and diameter of the coil, resulting in variable pitch, variable diameter, closed ends etc. There is also a cutting tool for releasing the finished part. Apparently, setting up these machines is a bit of a black art (ie takes a lot of "experience&quot, so making one-offs wouldn't be quick.

                          This example is pretty ancient but modern CNC machines seem to use the same basic principle.Grinding the ends is is done on the sides of large diameter abrasive wheels (perhaps 2 feet in diameter).

                          Murray

                          Spring maker 3

                          #247174
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by Muzzer on 18/07/2016 18:10:54:

                            For reference, this is what the business end of an automated spring winder looks like.

                            Spring maker 3

                            .

                            Looks like the mouth-parts of something dreamt-up by H. R, Giger surprise

                            MichaelG.

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 18/07/2016 18:42:54

                            #247201
                            Jeff Dayman
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                              @jeffdayman43397
                              Posted by duncan webster on 18/07/2016 12:45:47:

                              What we need is a CNC spring winder. Hint Neil

                              These machines might give some inspiration for a home build CNC bender. Could be a lot of clever stuff going on behind that main bend plate…

                              Hope it doesn't keep you up all night thinking about it now. JD

                              #247765
                              Howard Lewis
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                                @howardlewis46836

                                Have never used them, but maybe Vincent Springs (in Peterborough I think, U K) may be able to suppy.

                                Howard

                                #247772
                                Neil Wyatt
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                                  @neilwyatt
                                  Posted by duncan webster on 18/07/2016 12:45:47:

                                  What we need is a CNC spring winder. Hint Neil

                                  First requirement is find someone who has made one and willing to write about it.

                                  Any takers?

                                  Neil

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