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  • #2451
    KEITH BEAUMONT
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      #233715
      KEITH BEAUMONT
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        @keithbeaumont45476

        Two pictures of my completed Chenery Aero Vee-Twin.

        Stats for the interested-Some 2000 hours of workshop time over a two year period. All machining carried out on a well "tuned" Clark Mini lathe and a Warco WM 14 mill,with self fitted DRO.Material kit and drawings from Hemingway kits.

        All work is to the drawings supplied and no modifications were introduced.

        I havnt fired it up yet as I have resisted the urge and am making a respectable

        test bench for it. Perhaps next week we will hear what sort of noise it makes

        Edited By JasonB on 08/04/2016 07:28:57

        #233716
        Jeff Dayman
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          @jeffdayman43397

          No pics Keith, did you make an album first?

          #233721
          KEITH BEAUMONT
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            @keithbeaumont45476

            Yes, they are there if you click on "2 photos" i had a suspicion that all was not well , as this is my first time of uploading pics.

            #233731
            V8Eng
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              @v8eng

              Nice work Keith, I look forward to the "noise" when you show it running.smiley

              #233732
              Nick_G
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                @nick_g

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                Kieth that looks a really nice job.smiley

                Regards, Nick

                #233741
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Good looking engine, there is something about redwink

                  I have put the photos in your post.

                  #233755
                  V8Eng
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                    @v8eng

                    Testa Rossa!

                    Apologies for that being singular, I have no idea what the plural is in Italian.

                    Edited By V8Eng on 08/04/2016 09:03:40

                    #233756
                    Peter Krogh
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                      @peterkrogh76576

                      Very lovely! Will wait somewhat patiently for the noise. Should be great!

                      Pete

                      #233774
                      KEITH BEAUMONT
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                        @keithbeaumont45476

                        Thank you all for your comments and thank you Jason for adding the photos to my post. I would be interested in knowing where I went wrong.

                        The red heads are painted. I tested several high temperature paints and the only one I found to be methanol proof also was Halfords own brand High Temp Paint, in a tin . The aerosol version is not methanol proof/

                        Keith

                        #233775
                        Nick_G
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                          @nick_g
                          Posted by KEITH BEAUMONT on 08/04/2016 10:56:28:

                          The red heads are painted.

                          Keith

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                          Keith, I think the red remark from Jason was a light hearted jibe aimed at me. laugh

                          Nick smiley

                          #233777
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            No Aimed at me, I have a bit of a reputation for painting engines red, hence the title of this build thread, Ramon tends to pull my leg about it. And you know there is a very nice red lightweight on the web though I have something brighter in mind for that

                            In my defence the original engines all the models were based on were red.embarrassed

                            Keith, once the photos are in your album you can click on the little camera icon along the top of the box you are typing in and that will take you to a list of whats in your album. Just select the photo you want and say OK.

                            J

                            #233785
                            Stovepipe
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                              @stovepipe

                              Hemingway's site refers to 11 A3 Pages of diagrams and 23 Pages of build notes for this model. Along with Keith's 2000 hours of work you can appreciate the huge effort that's gone into this engine. Would be far beyond me I'm afraid. Very well done indeed, sir

                              Dennis

                              #255719
                              dean clarke 2
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                                @deanclarke2

                                Hey Keith, just wondering if you have this lovely engine running yet? Would be awesome to see a video of it running mate

                                cheers

                                Dean

                                #255728
                                Jeff Dayman
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                                  @jeffdayman43397

                                  Great job Keith! any noise yet? JD

                                  #255741
                                  KEITH BEAUMONT
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                                    @keithbeaumont45476

                                    Hi Dean and Jeff,

                                    The engine startled me in firing first squeeze on the starter, but it would not run for much more than 30 seconds and stopped if I switched off the power to the glow plugs. It was originally designed for spark ignition, but is supposed to be OK on glow. Compression was not good as designed, so I re-machined .030" off each head, which certainly improved things,but it then kept blowing a gasket. One of the weak points as designed, is that you cannot get at the head nuts with the rocker gear in place, so you are unable to re-tighten after a run.Higher compression also required a change in the timing and this is still a subject of experiment.

                                    I eventually solved the head tightening by making long nuts for each head so they are now high enough to get a spanner on and this has stopped the gasket blowing problem.

                                    I have changed the carb too from that in the photos and now have a clone of an OS 35 carb fitted.

                                    I think I am at the point of being satisfied enough with its running to make a video, so watch this space.Holidays have got in the way over the past two weeks, but we are now back to normal.

                                    Keith

                                    #255747
                                    Ady1
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                                      @ady1

                                      Looks lovely. A work of art.

                                      #258067
                                      KEITH BEAUMONT
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                                        @keithbeaumont45476

                                        During test runs of this engine I wondered what the running temperature was, as parts such as cams are Loctited on, so I used a non contact IR thermometer to measure the head temperature after a five minute run.The result is a puzzle to me and I hope someone out there has some answers,

                                        The puzzle is that the left head runs some 30degrees C hotter than the right head! Around 110 degrees left and 80 degrees right.I have checked and re checked the cam positions etc Compression on both sides is equal to a hand turn, The left side spits out much more castor oil than the right. I drain the oil after each session and a lot of castor is present in this and I assume this is due to blow past the right piston more than the left. I have changed the plugs around and tried a different make, all with the same result.

                                        Any ideas fellers ?

                                        Keith

                                        #258071
                                        Chris Evans 6
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                                          @chrisevans6

                                          Any ideas fellers ? Uneven ring gaps ?

                                          #258076
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            I have a similar problem with my Nemett opposed twin, I have put it down to the crank throwing the oil up onto the underside of the "cold" cylinder. Need to get round to making some baffles

                                            #258077
                                            Hopper
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                                              @hopper

                                              Engine rotation may tend to throw more oil up in the right hand cylinder when viewed from the front, if rotation is anti-clockwise when viewed from the front. The extra oil can give that cylinder extra cooling. This is a sometime issue on full-sized Harley V-twin engines when building them for racing etc.

                                              Edited By Hopper on 27/09/2016 10:23:05

                                              #258080
                                              KEITH BEAUMONT
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                                                @keithbeaumont45476

                                                Ring gaps were even and I made sure the gaps were opposite each other, although I am aware that this is considered a waste of time as the rings move in use

                                                I can see the logic of the oil hitting the underside of the right cylinder and piston with the anti clockwise rotation giving extra cooling.If Harley have the same problem, who am I to complain?

                                                Thanks fellers, for the quick answers,

                                                Keith.

                                                #271904
                                                dean clarke 2
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                                                  @deanclarke2

                                                  Hey Keith, what happened to the video of this magnificent engine running? be good to see it mate.

                                                  cheers

                                                  Dean

                                                  #271970
                                                  KEITH BEAUMONT
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                                                    @keithbeaumont45476

                                                    Hi Dean, thanks for your interest. I have had a set back while tuning up for the video.

                                                    I noticed that the front bronze bearing was getting hotter than it should and in the subsequent strip down I managed to crack the front crankcase casting, mainly through a stupid mistake that I am still beating myself up for.

                                                    I had a lot of trouble cleaning up the datum rear face of the crankcase, originally, and this pushed all the dimensions forward, making the front face a lot thinner than drawing.When I was replacing the modified bronze bearing the front surface of the casting just collapsed, Why didnt I use a bolt to pull it in you will ask?

                                                    Any way ,I have obtained a new casting, with more machining allowance this time and am in the process of putting everything back together, so I will keep you posted on progress.

                                                    Keith

                                                    #335945
                                                    dean clarke 2
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                                                      @deanclarke2

                                                      Hi Keith, been some time since we heard from you, just checking all's well??

                                                      Regards

                                                      Dean

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