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    Chris Denton
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      Chris Denton
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        #215661
        Speedy Builder5
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          @speedybuilder5

          It just holds a tap and is not an automatic tapping machine with reverse etc. At the front of the chuck are the jaws to keep the tap concentric and at the back of the jaws are a pair of flat jaws to grip the square on the end of the tap. I have had one for 20 odd years and have never got on with it. I normally use a Jacobs chuck – if the tap slips in the chuck then perhaps I should have use a traditional tap wrench !!
          BobH

          #215663
          Chris Denton
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            @chrisdenton53037

            Ok thanks, does it auto feed? So under power the tap slides in and out as it is threading the hole?

            I don't need it to reverse as I use a VFD.

            Edited By Chris Denton on 09/12/2015 11:49:31

            #215668
            Emgee
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              @emgee

              Hi Chris

              What you describe and want is normally called a "Floating head" type, this would allow a small amount of spindle down function beyond tapping depth before the spindle stop and direction change to rev out.

              Emgee

              #215685
              Gary Wooding
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                @garywooding25363

                I use an ER32 chuck in my mill that has VFD. I set it to low RPM for tapping, and use the instant reverse to withdraw and/or break the chip. I know I'm tempting fate, but I've not had a tap break – yet. I've broken taps when doing it free-hand but not yet with the mill.

                I don't tighten the chuck too much, so, with a bit of luck, it will slip if the torque gets too great. I've been lucky so far.

                #215686
                KWIL
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                  @kwil

                  Instant reverse? There must be a ramp down time and that must mean a rev or two surely!

                  #215697
                  ega
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                    @ega

                    "It just holds a tap and is not an automatic tapping machine with reverse etc. At the front of the chuck are the jaws to keep the tap concentric and at the back of the jaws are a pair of flat jaws to grip the square on the end of the tap."

                    A fair description, Speedy Builder5, but I find my similar device excellent. Mine is arranged to slide on a rod held in the tailstock and has been equipped with a fixed tommy bar. It has a claimed range of M4-M16 but, of course, this depends on the shank and square sizes of the tap.

                    By the way, I am a Speedy builder, too, but mine is a recumbent tricycle!

                    #215706
                    Mark P.
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                      @markp

                      I bought one very similar to this a few years ago I thought it would be usefull used it a couple of times, found it more trouble than it was worth. Just as easy to hold the tap in a drill chuck.
                      Mark P.

                      #215708
                      Gary Wooding
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                        @garywooding25363
                        Posted by KWIL on 09/12/2015 16:05:15:

                        Instant reverse? There must be a ramp down time and that must mean a rev or two surely!

                        Yes, at tapping speed, ie. less than about 120rpm, switching into reverse takes far less than 1/4 rev. so its effectively instant. At that slow speed there is no perceptible ramp time.

                        #215739
                        Chris Denton
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                          @chrisdenton53037

                          Richard from RDG phoned and explained it just holds the tap and is usually used in a tailstock.

                          So, I'm going to make my own over the weekend!

                          Edited By Chris Denton on 10/12/2015 00:07:39

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                          ega
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                            @ega

                            Chris Denton:

                            Good luck with your build. I'm glad that you have not been deterred by the less positive posts. My photo shows my chuck tapping a short thread in a blind hole supported by a sliding holder in the tailstock; whilst the tap cannot slip in the chuck (unlike a drill chuck) the moment the tap starts to bottom, the tommy bar is released and the lathe spindle halted thereby avoiding the other danger of a broken tap.

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                            #215779
                            Frances IoM
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                              @francesiom58905

                              Ega – how is the tommy bar released when the tap hits bottom ? – is there some clutch/torque limiter mechanism ?

                              #215781
                              ega
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                                @ega

                                Frances IoM:

                                Sorry if I wasn't clear about this. The tommy bar is held in one hand and the tap advanced into the work on the sliding support until it starts to cut whereafter the tommy bar is simply used to resist the cutting torque. Once the spindle has been halted the lathe is put into reverse and the tap withdraws onto the sliding support; any tendency for the chuck to rotate is again resisted by lightly holding the tommy bar.

                                Essentially a manual operation, but with clear advantages over the use of a drill chuck in the tailstock.

                                Correction: the stated capacity is M4 – M12 but in practice the chuck will not close down sufficiently to hold the shank of my M4 taps and, yes, I have used a drill chuck with these!

                                #215784
                                Bazyle
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                                  @bazyle

                                  Wouldn't it be safer to make the tommy bar short enough to allow full rotation ?

                                  #215786
                                  ega
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                                    @ega

                                    Bazyle:

                                    Fair comment, although if I am too slow in stopping the spindle the plastic ball is not going to damage the bed but only my fingers!

                                    The reason for making the tommy bar of reasonable length was that I also use the chuck on my larger lathe where there would be full and unimpeded rotation; I wanted to have enough leverage to resist the torque of tapping large coarse threads on the bigger machine.

                                    #215794
                                    Emgee
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                                      @emgee

                                      Chris

                                      This may suit you, Floating tapping head with ER20 collets, drawback is it's on a 20mm diameter shank.

                                      Just search for Er20 tapping head set

                                      Emgee

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                                      #215859
                                      Chris Denton
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                                        @chrisdenton53037

                                        Thanks for that, unfortunately I don't have a 20mm collet!

                                        but otherwise perfect!

                                        #216360
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          I have a Tap Holder similar to that shown, but have never used it. It holds the flats of the tap, and limits the torque by means of a fibre washer which acts as a clutch plate.

                                          My favoured method is a shop made holder for ER 25 collets, (gripping the shank of the Tap), which slides on an arbor held in the tailstock, just like a tailstock Die Holder. The Holder / Arbor fit was deliberately made a little slack to allow some "float".

                                          Since few of my Taps are larger than 1/2" or 13mm, 13 -12mm is the largest ER collet used , so far.

                                          The body is knurled so that it can be held, for smaller taps, and tapped for an anti rotation stud that rests against the edge of the front fourway toolpost, for larger Taps.

                                          Having a V F D, the "jog" facility is used, to allow an instant STOP if anything looks to be going wrong.

                                          If anything hangs up, or the end of the drilling is reached, the Tap slips in the ER collet.

                                          So far, no broken taps (even ME40 or small BA) have resulted, although a few larger, deeper, tappings have had to be finished by hand., when the Tap slipped despite the Collet being tightened hard.

                                          Howard

                                          #216718
                                          Chris Denton
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                                            @chrisdenton53037

                                            I made this in the end, took a couple of hours. The shaft is 16mm silver steel and the body is EN1a, as that's all I had.

                                            The bolts are 8mm M6 shoulder bolts as I had no way to broach a keyway. As I only really use aluminium I chose a chuck rather than collet holder. I will be able to lock the shaft with the shoulder bolts so I can pilot drill for tapping with it then change to a tap. No noticeable play, I will test for concentricity over the weekend

                                             



                                            Edited By Chris Denton on 17/12/2015 16:38:58

                                            Edited By Chris Denton on 17/12/2015 16:39:11

                                            #216736
                                            Emgee
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                                              @emgee

                                              Chris

                                              The best of both worlds and you still have the "slipping clutch" of a HSS tap in the chuck jaws for safety.

                                              Emgee

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