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    Farmer Dave
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      @farmerdave

      Hi Friends, I'm building a self designed 4 cylinder 4 stroke petrol engine,it was coming along very well,I managed to get it running today, as I was advancing the ignition I must have over done it and screwed the crankshaft.

      I fabricated this crankshaft with EN 1A [ 10mm shaft and 6mm crank pins]I am wondering if I used EN 8 or some better grade of steel of the same dimensions would it be strong enough and I could avoid remaking the conrods and probably a larger crankcase,

      What do you think,all suggestions gratefully received.

      Regards Farmer Dave

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      Farmer Dave
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        @farmerdave
        #103013
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Whatfailed? the actual metal or the joints where it was fabricated, you don't say what the fabrication method was? Pinned, soldered, loctite, etc.

          J

          #103016
          Des Burnett
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            @desburnett83896

            Dave EN 1a is ok for making nails and other low stressed products. Traditionally crankshafts are forged from EN19 and nitrided. For your application EN8 or EN24t would be more than adequate.

            Regards

            Des

            #103026
            MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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              @michaelwilliams41215

              If an EN1a crank shaft failed in just a few minutes running then an EN8 one running under the same conditions won't last much longer . Find out why existing crankshaft failed – failure could be due to a multitude of causes .

              Couldn't say without seeing bits but some common causes of early failures are :

              Unsatisfactory design or manufacture .

              Running engine without any load .

              Lubrication failure .

              Transitional or full seizure .

              Ovrspeeding .

              Swarf and debris .

              Examine the failed crankshaft very carefully under a magnifying glass yourself or put some good pictures on here – there are likely to be many visible clues as to what actually happened .

              Michael Williams .

              #103031
              Farmer Dave
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                @farmerdave

                Hi again I'll try and answer your previous questions in this post, Jason; it was silver soldered, Des; that was what I thought ,Graham; my engine is not a work of art like your's if it runs for a few hours at low revs I will be quite satisfied as i am just a beginner, Michael; the crank pins seem to have screwed due to them being to soft .

                Many thanks for your suggestions.

                Farmer Dave

                #103046
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Can you give us an idea of the stroke and bore of the engine as it may be your pins are just too small for the power going through the engine.

                  Also how many bearings are there on the crank shaft, if its an inline 4 and you only have support at the ends then its likely to be too whippy.

                  Are you certain that one of the solder joints has not failed and the pin rotated slightly in the web, I always like to pin my cranks after soldering.

                  J

                  #103096
                  Farmer Dave
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                    @farmerdave

                    Hello again , more details about my engine, it's 4 inline 22mm bore x 25mm stroke ball bearing each end and a split bronze bearing in the middle.

                    .I'm sure the solder has held ok ,have decided the crank pins are just to soft.there is'nt room in the crankcase for larger pins & bigends,that is why i wanted to use better steel of the same size. I've spent today rebuilding, this time using harder steel pins [ie old screwdriver shaft]. I'll get it cleaned up tomorrow and try it again.

                    Will post if it works ok.

                    Thanks again. Farmer Dave

                    Edited By Farmer Dave on 07/11/2012 21:51:24

                    #103355
                    dean clarke 2
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                      @deanclarke2

                      sounds like you need to change the big end journals and use needle roller bearings of the right diameter, silver solder them to the webs and problem solved.

                      dean

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