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  • #2324
    rich lowe
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      #84730
      rich lowe
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        @richlowe16386

        hi i have a very rare DC Rapier marine engine. it is a small model diesel engine. I need help with finding some parts/spares and help would be appreciated. regards, rich 

        Edited By rich lowe on 14/02/2012 12:17:26

        #84742
        Richard Parsons
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          Love to help I had one whoch was worn out so i converted it to a glow motor. But I live in Hungary.
          Rgds
          Dick
           
          #84758
          rich lowe
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            @richlowe16386
            Thankyou for getting back to me. this is the engine itself….it is marine(water-cooled)
             regards rich (england)
             

            Edited By rich lowe on 14/02/2012 16:58:23

            #84776
            Sub Mandrel
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              @submandrel
              I have a few DC engines; Merlin, Spitfire, Sabre etc. but not a Rapier. They are all rather nice.
               
              Neil
              #84783
              rich lowe
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                @richlowe16386
                yes-the DC engines are quite nice. Do you know anywhere i could get a liner for a rapier or maybe even get the dimensions to get one made. also if possible, i need a carb as it is missing from my engine.
                 
                regards, rich
                #84798
                jason udall
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                  @jasonudall57142

                  wc ones were s*d to start in boat.
                  Oh happy days…
                  Can you even get “diesel” for them still…I mean ether,amalnitrate…castor oil?

                  #84800
                  rich lowe
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                    @richlowe16386
                    personally, i just use the ‘model technics’ diesel, although it comes at a nice price!
                    regards, rich
                    #84954
                    Sub Mandrel
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                      @submandrel

                      Model technics is what I have used too.

                      Neil

                      #84959
                      rich lowe
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                        @richlowe16386

                        works for me laugh so does anyone have any information of where i can get a liner, or atleast someone who has a Rapier already who i can ask for dimensions to make one myself?

                        Rich

                        #86845
                        thomas oliver 2
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                          Rich, This engine was introduced in 1956, with a green head on the aircooled version. It was re-introduced in 1973 with a blue head, but very similar. All my records show the engine to have a one piece integral intake tube, with the usual DC type needle valve, although the later one had a brass sleeve over the operating end of the needle. It would appear that you engine has had the top of the intake cut off, maybe to fit a throttle. However it will now be difficult to add the missing portion, as there is not enough length to fit an external sleeve, or to bore out and insert an extension. The originals also had a small drilled boss across the upper part of the venturi, for whar purpose I am not aware, But this is of no consequence if you only want to run the engine. Tomol.

                          #86846
                          Ady1
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                            It looks like there were quite a few types/mods as well

                            http://modelenginenews.org/people/dc_ltd.html

                            #86854
                            Ramon Wilson
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                              Hi Rich,

                              It's been a while since I've been on here so missed your thread.

                              I have an aircooled DC Rapier which I rebuilt some time back using parts from a water cooled version I do have some spares but what, I'm not sure without looking, however I can certainly measure a liner for you. What is actually wrong? If it's lack of compression you may be able to reclaim it by 'growing' the piston and relapping it and the bore. I have reclaimed several engines in this fashion. I can explain more if you wish.

                              I'm pretty certain I don't have a complete backplate however providing you only want it to work as opposed to returning it to it's original state you may be able to fit a turned venturi.

                              #86856
                              Terryd
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                                Hi Ramon,

                                Welcome back, Good to hear from you again,

                                Best regards

                                Terry

                                #86859
                                Ramon Wilson
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                                  Hi Terry, yes it's been a while but it's nice to be up and running (oh I wish) again.

                                   

                                  Rich – I have found the spares – I have a piston and liner/set up so let me know what information you need..

                                  The pic makes it look far worse than it is – it came out of a very poor looking but well running engine. As I thought I do not have a backplate but looking at the rebuilt one if you are more concerned with getting it to run as opposed to originality then I think you should be able to remove the stub of venturi casting flush with the back plate and then tap the hole to take a venturi insert which could easily be turned from bar.

                                  My only doubt, without stripping the backplate off, is whether there is enough depth of material for a thread to take. I can't remember exactly how the intake timing is set up on the inner face – it's important any work you do does not affect that.

                                  Hope this helps a little more

                                  Regards – Ramon

                                  Edited By Ramon Wilson on 09/03/2012 10:00:40

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                                  Ramon Wilson
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                                    @ramonwilson3

                                    I don't know what's happened to these imagesfrown – can anyone explain where Ive gone wrong with this new format

                                    #86861
                                    Ramon Wilson
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                                      @ramonwilson3

                                      I see if you click on the image it opens in the correct format but can the distortion be prevented in the first place?

                                      #86862
                                      Ady1
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                                        @ady1

                                        The default size is wrong, you need to adjust it manually in dreaded-edit-mode

                                        #86863
                                        Ramon Wilson
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                                          Hi Ady, yes just had a play and can see whats required. I set it to 250 wide which filled the preview width but this is obviously too small – any idea what the best width would be?

                                          Apologies now for the fact they are too smallface 7 – I'm off to the workshop

                                          #86864
                                          Ady1
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                                            @ady1

                                            It depends on the size of your picture.

                                            The forum software should do these things automatically.

                                            #86865
                                            Terryd
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                                              @terryd72465

                                              Hi Ramon,

                                              According to the web designer when the new format was introduced, you need to set the width to 350px (if I remember correctly) when adding the picture, not too onerous. I'll see if I can find the thread with his instructions – it should be a sticky really to help newcomers – perhaps David can help find it?

                                              Regards

                                              Terry

                                              P.S. see my next posting. I found the instructions

                                              Edited By Terryd on 09/03/2012 10:22:33

                                              #86866
                                              Terryd
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                                                Hi again Ramon,

                                                Found it, 'twas in the 'Message to Webmaster' thread. Here are his instructions:-

                                                John,

                                                To avoid the resizing thing happening, this is what I did:

                                                1. Click on Image button
                                                2. Paste the URL into the URL box and then press tab or click into another field, so that the system goes and fetches the image and puts it into the preview box
                                                3. Click into the Width box and type in 350. This will automatically adjust the height accordingly
                                                4. If you want to add in a link to the image, click on the Link tab and paste the URL into the URL box on that tab too
                                                5. Click OK

                                                Example:

                                                Hope that helps to clarify it, teeth 2

                                                Best Regards,

                                                Terry

                                                #86897
                                                rich lowe
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                                                  @richlowe16386

                                                  Thankyou Ramon,

                                                  well basically the liner is missing and looking for one to go in, or at least get dimensions to get one made, but preferably i would like to buy one. i am not to worried about the intake yet, although i might chase one up at a later date, or as you said, get a venturi insert turned and tapped.

                                                  Best Regards,

                                                  Rich

                                                  Edited By rich lowe on 09/03/2012 23:08:42

                                                  #86915
                                                  Ramon Wilson
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                                                    @ramonwilson3

                                                    Thanks for the instruction Terry I think I shall be okay with it now.

                                                    Rich, Unfortunately I'm afraid I can't part with the piston / liner that I have but you may be able to pick up an old 'externally abused' example of a Rapier somewhere – good examples of the early green head versions can certainly fetch a few bob but the later ones are not quite so sought after.

                                                    The dimensions (mm) of this set up are as follows….

                                                    Overall length of liner – 32.1

                                                    Distance from bottom of liner to exhaust flange – 10.5

                                                    Thickness of exhaust flange – 3.75

                                                    Diameter of exhaust flange – 21.7

                                                    Diameter above exhaust flange – 17.99 (good slide fit into cylinder head)

                                                    Diameter below exhaust flange – 18.1 (Not critical, the annular gap acts as one big transfer passage)

                                                    Width of exhaust and transfer ports is 1.58 (1/16) (The top of the transfer port is level with the bottom of the exhaust flange. The exhaust port lower edge is set .8 above top of transfer port )

                                                    Bore is 14.67

                                                    Piston wall height – 10.8. Piston has a conical top – overall height is 13.25

                                                    Pin offset from top of wall is 6.5

                                                    Con-Rod length is 24.4

                                                    This liner is hardened but were I to make one for myself I would use ordinary EN1a which is a good combination with a cast iron piston. If you already have a piston in reasonable condition it would probably be worth re-lappping this first then make the liner a thou or so down on the piston size to allow for lapping the liner.

                                                    One other point – the four exhaust and transfer ports are cut such that the pillar left between them is very small ( I believe some engines were made with three ports) Personally I would cut these less deep to give a wider pillar say 3-4mm wide. This will have very little if no effect on performance but will make for a stronger liner.

                                                    Reclaiming small engines like this has always given me a great deal of satisfaction so good luck with yours

                                                    Regards – Ramon

                                                    #86919
                                                    rich lowe
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                                                      @richlowe16386

                                                      Thankyou so much Ramon, this is a big help and is greatly appreciated. And i strongly agree, there is so much satisfaction in getting these engines running again. I cant help but mention how much i admire your skills. I saw some of the pictures of when you was building an engine from scratch, excellent job smiley

                                                      Well, as i said, thankyou so much for your help, i can see getting this engine running again isnt as far away as i originally thought.

                                                      Best Regards,

                                                      Rich

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