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12 March 2014 at 13:58 #146835
Russ B
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I'm looking to get hold of a copy of the "Motor Boys Model Engine Plan Book" does anyone know of a download link?

I don't mind paying for it but as it's released under creative commons, selling it above cost is not legal – sharing it is legal, see here for more…….:**LINK**

If anyone could share .pdf file with me I would be greatly appreciative I don't mind sending or paying for a SAE + blank CD etc , or just downloading it through a free private link (say Dropbox?)

Here is a link to the original page, **LINK**

Many thanks,

Russ
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12 March 2014 at 13:58 #23192
Russ B
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12 March 2014 at 14:18 #146836
Roderick Jenkins
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Russ,

I think I can do this, I bought the MEN only CD from Ron. I have a dropbox account but I've never used it, so it will be an interesting experiment.

PM me.

Rod
12 March 2014 at 14:37 #146837
JasonB
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If you look at the November 2013 editorial the whole book will be available to download just just wait a bit longer

I'll see if one of the Motor Boys has any news when it might be.

J
12 March 2014 at 14:46 #146839
ASF
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@asf
Thanks for informing us of that JasonB I look forward to it
12 March 2014 at 19:09 #146855
Jo
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@jo
As many will know Ron is not well and it is intended legacy to make the Motor boys Plan book freely available on his site.

Out of respect the other members have not changed the site since his last posting. Our thoughts and best wishes are with Ron and his good lady, Ruthie, at this time.

Jo

Edited By Jo on 12/03/2014 19:09:52
30 August 2016 at 05:38 #252965
andrew phillott
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does any one have a copie of motor boys plans book as it did not get put up on the site r.i.p Ron
30 August 2016 at 08:13 #252978
Michael Gilligan
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Andrew,

I have just tried the **LINK** that was provided in the opening post:

http://modelenginenews.org/mbi/mbi_book.html

… It seems to work just fine.

MichaelG.

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Edit: sorry, just realised you are looking for more

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/08/2016 08:19:16
30 August 2016 at 08:21 #252980
andrew phillott
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thank you michael but this is the link to where you order the book from it does not supply the book itself only updates. and since Ron is no longer with us ordering a copy is imposable. but thank you for replying.
30 August 2016 at 08:25 #252981
Michael Gilligan
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My edit was 'just too late'
30 August 2016 at 09:24 #252986
Russ B
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@russb
Andrew,

This was licenced under creative commons and this type of licence is to ensure it is freely shared, but not profited from. This makes it difficult for any organisation to sponsor it or publish it (as that could be seen as advertising which would benefit them)

The distributed version can't be modified in any way, or have additional terms applied to it. (you are free to modify your own copy!)

And anyone sharing it, must provide a link to the creative commons licence, and appropriate credit.
30 August 2016 at 09:27 #252987
andrew phillott
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well i for one would try my hardest to get it out there for the sake of the Ron that is if i had a copy and i would gladly stamp his name on any thing i produced from it it just seem like people have forgotten about it and moved on.
30 August 2016 at 09:34 #252988
Russ B
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@russb
The Motor Boys Plan Book (Second Edition)

Licence under creative commons,

(CC BY-NC-ND 3.0) **LINK**

Ron Chernich did all the CAD work for the plans and Tim Dannels arranged the introduction.

The Boys are:

Gordon Burford (Australia)
Ron Chernich (Australia)
Tim Dannels (USA)
David Owen (Australia)
Randy Ryan (USA)
Les Stone (USA)
Vincent Chai (Australia)
Ken Croft (England)
Eric Offen (England)
Stan Pilgrim (Australia)
Roger Schroeder (USA)
Bert Striegler (USA)

The Motor Boys dedicated this edition to their absent friends, Don McClusky and George Aldrich, both founding members of the group.

Edited By JasonB on 01/09/2016 11:46:10
30 August 2016 at 09:43 #252992
Russ B
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@russb
The above credit is taken directly from the plan book, page 1 without modification. Since Ron is apparently no longer with us, I dedicate the link I shared at the bottom, to him. I can't promise it will work forever but we'll see.

Andrew, I would suggest you save a copy of the above post should you ever wish to send a copy to anyone. It will save you 5 minutes typing
30 August 2016 at 09:44 #252993
andrew phillott
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thank you very much i much apriciate it. i will see about getting it out there for people.
30 August 2016 at 09:44 #252994
Neil Wyatt
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@neilwyatt
Thanks Russ,

Would it be a good idea to host the plan book here?

Neil
30 August 2016 at 09:47 #252996
andrew phillott
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hi neil could we set up a more permanent link on say the home page for him (ron) or is that what you ment above
30 August 2016 at 09:49 #252997
Russ B
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 30/08/2016 09:44:52:

Thanks Russ,

Would it be a good idea to host the plan book here?

Neil

You'd have to read in to the licence Neil, I think it would difficult to say it didn't profit the website as it enriches content and you have paid advertising – but in the spirit of non profit sharing under creative commons you might just squeeze it though? I would say that's a job for you legal team (aka oneself where I come from!)

I have nothing to do with Model-Engineer or The Motor Boys, so I can easily share the plans without infringing on the commercial side of the licence.
30 August 2016 at 10:14 #253000
Roderick Jenkins
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Here is a link to my dropbox Now Deleted

This has the Motorboys handbook and the additional plans that were on the DVD. It was clearly Ron's intention to make all of these freely available.

Rod

Edited By JasonB on 01/09/2016 11:45:21
30 August 2016 at 10:31 #253006
JasonB
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@jasonb
Would it be better to ask a few of the motor boys first before hosting it here, I know other forums (non commercial)have offered the same but it did not happen despite some of the motor boys being members.

J
30 August 2016 at 10:53 #253015
Russ B
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J, As I understand it, even the original creator cannot change the licence terms or revoke them. Therefore I'm unsure if they can give permission, since that would sort of be changing the licence.

All of Ron's CAD drawings "unless otherwise expressed" were made under CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 (as outlined in the header on ModelEnginenews.Org homepage) I think as Rod said, Ron's intentions were clear, and these drawings can be shared easily from individual to individual and will provide many years of fun for anyone with the passion and determination to follow them.

Maybe, you could host a list of volunteers who are offering to share the plans?

I have just been given (for free) a very modern colour laser printer that I'm hoping will be of high clarity so potentially I could also extend that to include hard copies printed on A4 for a transparent fee based purely on paper, toner, envelope and postage costs. The time and fuel spent driving about is my contribution.
30 August 2016 at 11:05 #253019
Neil Wyatt
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As the primary aim of putting it here would be non-commercial (sharing it for free & to all) the fact this is a commercial website is incidental so it shouldn't conflict with the CC licence. The impact of the file being here on user numbers would be negligible, as it would mostly be used by people who already members and people wanting to download would not be required to sign up.

In contrast Dropbox is a commercial concern and sharing such content is their chief business model as it encourages people seeking the file to get a Dropbox account and start on the upgrade path to a paid account.

So presumably putting it on Dropbox is more 'commercial'? At least for Dropbox, if not the dropbox user!

But I think it's probably best if I just put it on my personal website – this seems to be in line with the spirit of their wishes and the more places it is, the better.

Neil
30 August 2016 at 11:15 #253024
JasonB
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Posted by Russ B on 30/08/2016 10:53:19:

J, As I understand it, even the original creator cannot change the licence terms or revoke them. Therefore I'm unsure if they can give permission, since that would sort of be changing the licence.

It would just be a courtesy to ask them.

From one of the other forums I mentioned "The future of the MEN material has been secured by the Motor Boy Members. They don't want to go public just at the moment as to what they are doing."

I know the book is out there and shared by e-mail and PM but it would be nice to ask before hosting it here in a more public way.

J
30 August 2016 at 11:22 #253028
Russ B
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@russb
Neil,

Do you need a Dropbox account to get the files?

If this is the case, I will remove the link, I assumed anyone could view and save the pdf without any sort of sign up, free or not.

Apologies in advance.

Edited By Russ B on 30/08/2016 11:22:58
30 August 2016 at 11:38 #253031
Roderick Jenkins
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Russ,

You certainly do not need a Dropbox account to access my Dropbox so I'm not sure what Neil's concerns are.

Neil,

The link that I put up also contains the additional drawings that were a bonus on the MEN CD, to encorage people to buy it. I believe it was Ron's intention that these should also be put into the public domain.

Rod
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