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  • #130298
    Falco
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      @falco

      Apart from the usual chipping and scraping, can anyone suggest a method of removing encrusted cement from a piece of metal (aluminium or mild steel) that would not leave the metal scratched or pitted .

      I am thinking more along the lines of a chemical solution rather than a mechanical one.

      The article in question is a new aluminium door tread that has been damaged by careless plastering.

      I realise that this may not be ME specific but the solution, if there is one, may well be of wider interest as we all pick up bits of "scrap" metal from time to time that has to be cleaned up for machining.

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      Falco
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        @falco
        #130300
        Anonymous

          When I worked at a cement works, and got some cement on my car, I was told that the only thing that would remove it was hydroflouric acid. Since it was usefully holding the car together I left it well alone.

          Andrew

          #130302
          Ady1
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            @ady1

            If you spray WD40 on the cement and let it soak in for a day or two maybe that would work

            #130305
            russell
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              @russell

              hydrochloric acid will dissolve cement – used for cleaning bricks.

              it will also react with aluminium – so you'd certainly want to test first!

              **LINK** suggests weal acids such as citric or sulfamic – i know sulfamic acid is used to remove grout, which is cement based – that may be worth a try.

              – russ

              #130309
              Nicholas Farr
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                @nicholasfarr14254

                HI, while hydroflouric acid has many uses it is pretty nasty stuff to handle. First of all don't put it into a glass container, secoundly don't breath the vapours and thridly it will burn through your skin before you can feel it. See **LINK**

                Regards Nick.

                #130311
                Boiler Bri
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                  @boilerbri

                  Plaster will come off if soaked with water and a good thumb nail. Cement is much the same but is likely to scratch due to sand being.

                  Bri

                  #130313
                  Les Jones 1
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                    @lesjones1

                    Hi Falco,
                    First is it cement or plaster as this is important for chemical removal methods ? My suggestion is only suitable if you can remove the part. Soak the item in water then put it in the freezer. Repeat this process as required. The water freezing should crack the deposit. Also the different coefficients of expansion should help. (It does not matter if it is cement or plaster for this method.)

                    Les.

                    #130324
                    wheeltapper
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                      @wheeltapper

                      Citric acid dissolves cement / concrete like you wouldn't believe.

                      Roy.

                      #130334
                      Spurry
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                        @spurry

                        There is a substance I have not seen before called Belle Clean Concrete dissolver. It reads as if it could work well, but not actually tried it. Tool-net.co.uk list it.

                        Pete

                        #130349
                        MattK
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                          @mattk47317

                          I'd give brick acid a go. You can buy it in Wickes in a gallon (or whatever the metric is) container. Have used it to get plaster off my aluminium plastering hawk and it worked ok. Don't know what it would do if the ally was lacquered though.

                          I wouldn't touch hydroflouric acid. I used to work with it when I worked for Sony TVs. They used it to clean the glass which it etches. Corrodes stainless too. Very nasty if it gets on you. We were told it can turn you bones to a jelly by removing the calcium which may sound extreme but I do believe it can attack bone from getting it on the skin.

                          #130360
                          John Haine
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                            @johnhaine32865

                            Try toilet de-scaler. This contains weak hydrochloric acid.

                            #130365
                            Grizzly bear
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                              @grizzlybear

                              Hi Falco,

                              Kettle descaler is also worth a try, not expensive for a test run.

                              Regards, Bear..

                              #130381
                              Falco
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                                @falco

                                Hi All,

                                Thanks for the wide range of suggestions. I will work through them, starting with the milder solutions. I will stay clear of Hydroflouric acid I think based on your advice.

                                My reference to plaster may have been misleading. The sand and cement exterior rendering is commonly and probably incorrectly called plaster here locally and that is what has got to be removed. It is not the interior smooth finish that is much finer and softer.

                                I still have another door tread to clean and experimenting with the various suggestions should be interesting. Thanks to all

                                John

                                #130382
                                Robbo
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                                  @robbo

                                  If you can get at the back of the aluminium, try warming/heating it behind the cement patches. The different expansion rates should crack off the cement, leaving a slight mark to polish off (which the chemical methods may also do).

                                  Phil

                                  #130441
                                  John McNamara
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                                    @johnmcnamara74883

                                    Hi Falco

                                    A high pressure water washer will do it, I have used one to remove cement that has set on bricks, If it is plaster it will only last milliseconds. I did an entire building, it took several days and worked very well, and no acid……….

                                    If you use one on brickwork you may mark damage the bricks if they are soft you will need to reduce the pressure. Metals are not marked all.

                                    You will have to tie your part down on some sort of support first or it may take off if it is light.

                                    I suspect your piece is will be anodised, if so many chemicals will discolour it (including the cement) plain water is unlikely to mark it.

                                    Regards
                                    John

                                    Edited By John McNamara on 22/09/2013 15:12:17

                                    #130478
                                    Falco
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                                      @falco

                                      My options are to some extent limited by the fact that the panel in question (basically an aluminium saddle to an outside patio double door) cannot be removed and can only be accessed in full when the door is open.

                                      The use of the power washer is an interesting option but would demand a comprehensive bit of sealing before use as the twin patio doors will have to be open to gain access to the whole. It might be possible though and as John says unlikely to mark the aluminium.

                                      So much for the theory! Next week I'll try to put some of it into practice.

                                      Thanks again all.

                                      John

                                      #130483
                                      jason udall
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                                        @jasonudall57142

                                        Freezer spray….ali has high coeff and you would be unlucky for cement to be the same…

                                        #130486
                                        Les Jones 1
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                                          @lesjones1

                                          Hi John,
                                          From Phil's (Robbo) and jason's idea of using differential expansion you could try a steam cleaner.

                                          Les.

                                          #130490
                                          Boiler Bri
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                                            @boilerbri

                                            Wow, what a lot of replies to a domestic problem with what is supposed to be a 'reliable domestic supplier installation'. I have to say that, any person who crosses your threshold to carry out work on your home can not be trusted to do a good job! That is why i do most of my own domestic challenges. But age now is against me and i wish you all good luck in selecting a reliable domestic installation — engineer- gas fitter- painter- plumber- decorator- joiner etc!

                                            Based on:

                                            My mother in law (76 years old and energetic) has just had a conservatory fitted. What a fiasco, we were very care full to make sure that all bases were covered and that the builder chosen was in charge and knew what we wanted, he was in charge of the glass and plastic's supplier and was supposed to know what what was required. Ha, the builder got it all wrong and the glass man made a complete bu""er of it!!!!!!!!!!!.

                                            We too now have plaster on the aluminium, however it soaked off with water and it came off the aluminium with no problem, so i am lucky.

                                            Why does no one give a service to be proud of any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                            Not engineering, but in the general run of the thread created.

                                            Bri

                                            #130629
                                            Rufus Roughcut
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                                              @rufusroughcut

                                              Hi All

                                              A Stark warning about Hydraflouric Acid a 0.5% solution has the potential to Kill you, having worked with this acid for many years with great dread I might add, don't ever endevour to use this unless you are prepared to wear a full set of PPE appropriate to the task before you even start, this isn't a bit of citric that just washes off and usually carries the infamous skull and cross bones label and justifibly so, it made me shudder just to read the suggestion of it's use in a home workshop environment, when we used this as a cleaning solution in power stations etc it was a pre-requesit that the local hospital was informed of it's intended use and in some cases a site attending nurse had to present for immediate response, yes it is a fantastic cleaning acid that loves calcium of which we are an abundant source to it, favour a 10% solution of 40ºC Citric Acid.

                                              Rufus

                                              A short lifetime of pain is only a few drops away with HF

                                              #130634
                                              jason udall
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                                                @jasonudall57142

                                                Not quite alien ship eating blood..but you get the idea..seem to remember amputation as one of the “treatments”..seems harsh but dire consequences of entry into blood stream..

                                                #130635
                                                david Chandler 1
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                                                  @davidchandler1

                                                  brick acid from your local builders merchant sold in 5l containers and not expensive.

                                                  #130637
                                                  Rufus Roughcut
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                                                    @rufusroughcut

                                                    Hi Jason/Gents

                                                    I feel sometimes users of forums should be wary of frivalous references to some chemicals where accompanying MSDS for the chemical proposed and of appropriate PPE would give clue as to its hazards if used I'm also mindful of the claim that it's not usually what you use that's the hazard neglect, but the bit left around for the unwary to play with in your absence that brings a rude awakening

                                                    Rufus

                                                    #130643
                                                    jason udall
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                                                      @jasonudall57142

                                                      Err? Rufus..it was certainly not my intent to trivalise the hazard that HF poses..

                                                      I have reread my post ..I do not get where I did that.

                                                      I will say again..HF or hydrofluric acid has no place in the hobbists "hands"

                                                      any reagent that can pull apart glass I don't want around..

                                                      there will be readers who work or have worked with this stuff,,,,,few if any will take handling/use of it lightly…

                                                      Edited By jason udall on 24/09/2013 23:43:35

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