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  • #642876
    blowlamp
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      @blowlamp

      The Clevis connector you didn't know you needed. smile d

      Martin.

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      #21415
      blowlamp
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        @blowlamp
        #642878
        lee webster
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          @leewebster72680

          Not being familiar with MOI, I could understand what you were doing it it was done! I don't know if I could replicate that in DesignSpark or SolidEdge. Very elegant.

          #642896
          SillyOldDuffer
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            @sillyoldduffer

            Nice! The twist capability shown at the end is super. Next time I fire up Solid Edge I'll look for an equivalent. Off-hand, I don't think it has one.

            Dave

            #642900
            Jelly
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              @jelly

              You can use either a lofted extrusion or a profile swept along a path, with the twist sub-option enabled to achieve the same result in Solid Edge.

              In either case, you would put the twist in from the start, not make the part then twist it.

              #642906
              IanT
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                @iant

                Very interesting Eddie. I think I could do most of that in SE and (to my mind) some aspects of using SE seem easier than how you did it using MOI (from a UI perspective) but as always with CAD, I believe that "you like what you know". The operation I haven't tried to do in SE was the 'twisting' at the end. I'm pretty sure SE can do something similar but is let down by its User's current level of expertise (or lack thereof)

                As an aside, I started playing with variable tables in SE yesterday and found that I could set up simple objects that were somewhat like Open SCAD models, where you just change key named variables and the whole model is updated immediately. I don't have an immediate use for them but did enjoy exploring the basics…

                I've put the knowledge in my "May Come in Useful Later " box for now smiley

                Regards,

                IanT

                #642921
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Getting close with Alibre, external fillets and chamfers omitted 'cos I can't be bothered

                  twister.jpg

                  #642949
                  Gary Wooding
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                    @garywooding25363

                    Here's what I did with Fusion…

                    cad doodlings.jpg

                    #642953
                    Ady1
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                      @ady1
                      Posted by JasonB on 28/04/2023 11:03:42:

                      Getting close with Alibre, external fillets and chamfers omitted 'cos I can't be bothered

                      You can probably hollow it out with that shell command too (…must have a keek at that one…)

                      #642965
                      SillyOldDuffer
                      Moderator
                        @sillyoldduffer

                        This is Solid Edge.

                        seclevis.jpg

                        The twist, which I expected to be the hard part, is easy. Rounding is usually trivial in SE but not this example! I can't get the tool to follow the edges all the way round. Might be doing it wrong – there's a bunch of settings I haven't tried, and don't understand.

                        Dave

                        #642974
                        JasonB
                        Moderator
                          @jasonb

                          Gary and Dave look to have taken the easy route with a straight ctr section rather than the dogbone that Martin and I have done with the 125mm radius which did need quite a bit more work in Alibre than MOI to get it to twist than a straight section would

                          Edited By JasonB on 28/04/2023 18:39:07

                          #643008
                          blowlamp
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                            @blowlamp

                            Pleasantly surprised to see others joining in. yes

                            Did anyone use the Loft or Sweep tools to do this, instead of Twist?

                            Martin.

                            #643013
                            Ady1
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                              @ady1

                              twist.jpg

                              used helix

                              Edited By Ady1 on 28/04/2023 23:46:02

                              #643018
                              JasonB
                              Moderator
                                @jasonb

                                I used loft as could not seem to do the dogbone shape with anything else, that was the long winded bit as I needed to loft 4 rectangles and pick up their lengths from a 2D sketch. My Ends are 10mm dia and you can see from these sketches that I had to use various sizes to form the rectangles to loft, the 5mm thickness is constant

                                loft1.jpg

                                loft2.jpg

                                loft3.jpg

                                #643033
                                John Doe 2
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                                  @johndoe2

                                  The CAD twist function is fantastic, but why would you need to manufacture this item with a twist – would that be stronger than simply designing it so the shaft with the single eye was kept straight but attached to the U piece 90° further round ?

                                  …….I'll get my coat.

                                  #643037
                                  Nick Wheeler
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                                    @nickwheeler
                                    Posted by John Doe 2 on 29/04/2023 09:48:41:

                                    The CAD twist function is fantastic, but why would you need to manufacture this item with a twist – would that be stronger than simply designing it so the shaft with the single eye was kept straight but attached to the U piece 90° further round ?

                                    You're right, nobody would machine a part all over and then twist it for the other end.

                                    But a link that only needs a drilled hole at each end at 90° makes perfect sense made from a length of twisted bar. Which would be modelled like these were. I must have a go when I've finished my roof-bar ladder clamps. And done the welding on the Metro.

                                    #643038
                                    JasonB
                                    Moderator
                                      @jasonb

                                      Really, I've twisted several parts for models, no doubt the blacksmith who made the full size many years ago would have done the same. How would you model the lower arm on this part?

                                      As for the clevis just because the twist was put in at the design stage does not mean it needs to be done as part of making it. Could be lost wax cast  or metal printed or maybe it is for an injection moulded plastic part.

                                      Edited By JasonB on 29/04/2023 10:21:54

                                      #643040
                                      SillyOldDuffer
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                                        @sillyoldduffer
                                        Posted by JasonB on 28/04/2023 18:38:15:

                                        Gary and Dave look to have taken the easy route with a straight ctr section rather than the dogbone that Martin and I have done with the 125mm radius which did need quite a bit more work in Alibre than MOI to get it to twist than a straight section would

                                        It's a fair cop guv'. The easy route is also possible in FreeCAD. I haven't tried to twist a dog-bone yet.

                                        MOI seems particularly good at twist operations. I can see why blowlamp likes it. For my purposes Assembly is more useful than twisting, despite Chubby Checker…

                                        Dave

                                        #643041
                                        Nick Hughes
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                                          @nickhughes97026

                                          Another method in Alibre, is to Loft using two rectangles and four 3D Guide curves (straight lines in this case). These guide curves connect each corner (Vertex ?) of the first rectangle, to the corresponding twisted corner on the second rectangle.

                                          v26 loft twist.jpg

                                          Note that this may not work in versions earlier than V25.

                                          Edited By Nick Hughes on 29/04/2023 10:52:28

                                          #643049
                                          Ady1
                                          Participant
                                            @ady1
                                            Posted by Nick Hughes on 29/04/2023 10:41:54:

                                            Another method in Alibre, is to Loft using two rectangles and four 3D Guide curves (straight lines in this case). These guide curves connect each corner (Vertex ?) of the first rectangle, to the corresponding twisted corner on the second rectangle.

                                            v26 loft twist.jpg

                                            Note that this may not work in versions earlier than V25.

                                            Edited By Nick Hughes on 29/04/2023 10:52:28

                                            Have you done that in Alibre Atom 3D Nick?

                                            #643062
                                            Ady1
                                            Participant
                                              @ady1

                                              Looks like 3D sketch which is in the expert and pro versions

                                              If they'd put that into Atom 3D it would have been CAD bargain of the year

                                              Edited By Ady1 on 29/04/2023 12:00:56

                                              #643067
                                              Nick Hughes
                                              Participant
                                                @nickhughes97026

                                                Yep done using Alibre Expert.

                                                Edited By Nick Hughes on 29/04/2023 12:38:47

                                                #643093
                                                Swarf Maker
                                                Participant
                                                  @swarfmaker85383

                                                  Rail guided lofts are very useful when reverse engineering compound shapes. This is a motorcycle handlebar lever modelled in F360.

                                                  exhaust lift lever v8a.jpg

                                                  #643096
                                                  Ady1
                                                  Participant
                                                    @ady1

                                                    That's where 3D scanners come in handy… but a decent one costs thousands

                                                    #643150
                                                    GordonH
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                                                      @gordonh

                                                      Posted by IanT on 28/04/2023 09:23:55:

                                                      As an aside, I started playing with variable tables in SE yesterday and found that I could set up simple objects that were somewhat like Open SCAD models, where you just change key named variables and the whole model is updated immediately. I don't have an immediate use for them but did enjoy exploring the basics…

                                                      I've put the knowledge in my "May Come in Useful Later " box for now smiley

                                                      Ian,

                                                      The variable table is very useful, you can also relate driven dimensions to other dimensions by entering equations in the formula column. As you have found, the model then updates immediately as you edit the table. However, you need to take care with driven and driving dimensions and which end(s) of the dimension are driven otherwise the model may distort unexpectedly. Care also needs to be taken where other features may be dimensioned from the edited feature.

                                                      The variable table really comes to the fore when you start using one of the key features of solid edge, the Family of Parts feature. A master part is created, this can include both Synchronous and Ordered features. In SE 2023, Ordered features are shown as outlines in Synchronous mode when viewing in shaded style but appear normally in wire frame style.

                                                      If not visible, the Family of parts feature is entered by selecting the Family of Parts pane from the Panes tab of the view menu. The Master part becomes the basis of a family of related parts, created by adding new members to the family and editing the new members in the variable table. Any ordered features in the table can be suppressed so it is possible to create parts with or without all of the features of the master part.

                                                      Gordon

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