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  • #594592
    JasonB
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      @jasonb

      Now that Dave (SOD) has unravelled how to draw his cotton reel here is one to think about while digesting all those Easter eggs. DC-1 may also be interested as he mentioned wanting to do some pattern making.

      Over the last week or so I've swapped a few e-mails and FB messages wit Graham Corry of Alyn Foundry fame as he had found details of Nikolaus Otto's flame sucker of 1873 and fallen in love with it. Some useful input also from Wayne Grennings and Linda Boots

      patent.jpg

      I got another e-mail from him about 4.00pm yesterday asking if I could do a pattern and corebox for the base. together with this image and a note to say he has 7" flywheels that can be used so that will be what the drawing needs to be scaled to.

      lo5.jpeg

      Well it sounded more of a challenge than cotton reels so I fired up alibre and in an hour or so had the basic pattern and core worked out.

      Pattern

      ol4.jpg

      Core half

      lo2.jpg

      I've played about with it a bit more today and now have the core box halves to mould the sand core in

      ol3.jpg

      And this is the pattern with the core "removed" and the surfaces that had a machining allowance taken back to finished size. Still some small tweaks to do but just modelling the basic components to check geometry first.

      lo1.jpg

      So Dave is this something the Freebie CAD is uptoquestionwink

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      #21375
      JasonB
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        @jasonb
        #594602
        lee webster
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          @leewebster72680

          Whilst FreeCAD is more than capable of producing these parts, I wouldn't want to use it in case (in case?) it crashed. FreeCAD can annoy and amaze in equal measures (leaning to annoy just a tad).

          #594604
          SillyOldDuffer
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            @sillyoldduffer

            This may be my nemesis! So far so good, though the way FreeCAD colours faces has me in me a tizzy:

            freecadengineframe.jpg

            #594608
            SillyOldDuffer
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              @sillyoldduffer

              Hmmm, the need to think about negatives and positives for castings has stopped play. I shall have to sleep on it!

              Dave

              #594614
              Paul Lousick
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                @paullousick59116

                Are there a few basic dimensions that we can use ?

                #594617
                blowlamp
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                  @blowlamp

                  Not too bad to do in MoI.

                  #594628
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Dave, making the negatives is quite easy as you can see in Blowlamps video, look at boolean subtract or similar terms.

                    Paul, there are basic sizes in the second image I posted which graham had worked out using a rule and calculator. I imported the image into CAD and scaled it to show the flywheel at 178mm (7" ) then any line I drew on top would give me a measurement.

                    lo6.jpg

                    Eddie Blowlamp, yes quite a few similarities between the two and I'm sure other programs would work in a similar way though, I did add draft to the core so it could be pulled from the box but that's more a practical issue than the CAD. I don't think I would have it set with cm as the unit, have that issue when I occasionally draw in F360 which defaults to cm on the drawing side but strangely mm in CAM unless I changed it at some time in the past?

                    #594700
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer
                      Posted by JasonB on 16/04/2022 07:19:56:

                      Dave, making the negatives is quite easy as you can see in Blowlamps video, look at boolean subtract or similar terms.

                      Ta, Jason. Blowlamp's video is helpful, and I'm impressed with by MOI's user interface. Although the software is functionally similar, FreeCAD often uses dialogue boxes, which are a bit clunky for controlling CAD.

                      Likewise, FreeCAD's pad/extrude tool doesn't support tapers yet, and I find their Draft Tool to be more of an intelligence test than I'm comfy with! So I mostly do tapers by lofting them, easy enough but needs a few extra steps compared with slicker packages.

                      It wasn't making negatives in CAD that had me confused. It's the thought process required to work out the shape of the mould needed by a sand core. Even though I have high confidence Jason knows his stuff, I'm still not convinced this is correct:

                      Anyway, back from delivering Easter Eggs, I was ready to FreeCAD the mould except I've gone all blurry due to Hay Fever. And it was snowing a few days ago…

                      Dave

                      #594707
                      SillyOldDuffer
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                        @sillyoldduffer

                        Despite not being able to see properly:

                        jbottobase.jpg

                        jbottobaseandouter.jpg

                        jbottosandcore.jpg

                        Less than half an hour – had to stop and feed the cat!

                        All done by eye, but I could go back and dimension it properly.

                        Dave

                        #594710
                        PatJ
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                          @patj87806

                          It may have to be a multi-piece corebox in order to get the core out without breaking off something.

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                          #594725
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            All the core features will have draft so should come out of the core box OK.

                            Dave, yes you do need to understand the casting process to know what the core needs to be made like so that it will do what you want.

                            Basically the pattern will form the cavity in the sand. The core is then place inside this cavity. It is located front and back you the two large projections touching the surface of the cavity and the same at one end. To stop any risk of it moving end to end the two projections on the top of the core that form the round and rectangular opening are longer so that they go into the two registers created by the black core prints on the pattern.

                            This shows the core inside the pattern and you can see the protruding features come to the faces so iron can't flow into the holes in the base casting

                            lo7.jpg

                            This has the pattern set to transparent so you can see the core in place

                            lo8.jpg

                            And finally a section along the ctr line showing where the metal will and won't flow. We decided to go thicker than scale to ensure a good pour. The top and bottom surface swill be machined back to leave 3mm thickness and if desired the walls can have a tickle with a die grinder to make the edges look thinner.

                            lo9.jpg

                            #595577
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Well to avoid my screen turning red with collision warnings in F360's simulator I has to set quite a bit of tool stick out, 115mm to be exact particularly as it was only a 4mm dia ball nose cuttersurprise.

                              stick out.jpg

                              Pattern looks to have come out OK though and all tools intact smiley

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                              Core boxes next on the list but only about 50mm deep needed.

                              #595590
                              PatJ
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                                @patj87806

                                Very nice pattern work !

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                                #595638
                                SillyOldDuffer
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                                  @sillyoldduffer

                                  Posted by JasonB on 23/04/2022 20:14:10

                                  :…

                                  dsc04596.jpg

                                  I prefer Jason's picture to Andy Warhol, who made a lot of money from this tin can:

                                  devil

                                  #595640
                                  blowlamp
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                                    @blowlamp
                                    Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 24/04/2022 10:58:33:

                                    Posted by JasonB on 23/04/2022 20:14:10

                                    :…

                                    dsc04596.jpg

                                    I prefer Jason's picture to Andy Warhol, who made a lot of money from this tin can:

                                    devil

                                    Cream of Mushroom used to be my favourite, until they cheapend the recipe and ruined it.

                                    #596250
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      One half of the core box having been machined, last op was drilling two 6mm holes for dowels, HSS Lip & Spur drill

                                      20220426_171441.jpg

                                      And bot halves complete with the base pattern and the small item at the bottom is a pattern for the pair of bearing caps. Should be off to the foundry tomorrow.

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                                      #596252
                                      PatJ
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                                        @patj87806

                                        I don't think I have ever seen anyone put the lettering in the core, and not by CNC either.

                                        Saves having a two-piece pattern.

                                        Reversed lettering I guess.

                                        .

                                        Edited By PatJ on 28/04/2022 20:33:14

                                        #596253
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          No the lettering is the right way round, it will be in reverse when you look at the core produced from the box and that will then leave the cast impression the right way round.

                                          20220428_134339.jpg

                                          #598269
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            Almost hot out of the sand. I'll post some better shots once I get my grubby little mitts on it.

                                            base.jpg

                                            #598282
                                            PatJ
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                                              @patj87806

                                              Nicely done !

                                              The 3D world opens up a lot of potential for recreating the old engines.

                                              I will be glad when I get caught up with work, and can get back in the game again.

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                                              #598618
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                My castings turned up today and I'm quite pleased with how they came out particularly as it was my first pattern with a core. External surface finish could have been a little smoother but I think that is one of the problems with airset as they don't seem to sieve any fine sand on first and just ram it up in one thick layer which can leave the sand surface a bit porous so the iron replicates that. These are the bits from my patterns

                                                The bit of writing that was a last minute addition turned out quite well, easily read yet out of sight for most that will view the model.

                                                And here is the rest of the "set" including the scotch yoke which is a brass casting and the spun brass piston which will give it a thin wall and light weight which should help with running. There is also an iron flywheel casting that I forgot to include in the photo

                                                I just need to catch up with Graham now who is posting good progress over on his Facebook Page

                                                 

                                                Edited By JasonB on 19/05/2022 14:46:36

                                                #598623
                                                PatJ
                                                Participant
                                                  @patj87806

                                                  That is a great looking set of castings.

                                                  Turned out very well.

                                                  You can improve the surface finish if you can get them to spray on a layer of ceramic mold coat.

                                                  It is generally alcohol-based, so you spray it on and then burn off the wet part.

                                                  Works wonders for surface finish.

                                                  Great job.

                                                  I can't get at the FB stuff, so be sure to keep us up to date here.

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