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  • #21361
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      Are there any CAM users here ?

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      #571589
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        I am on the verge of purchasing a licence for QCAD … which seems a very useable 2D package [despite the irritation of it not supporting the use of a digitising tablet]

        But I am struggling to decide about the CAM module : **LINK**

        There seems to be very little information about it on t'internet.

        Can anyone advise, please ?

        MichaelG.

        #571592
        Emgee
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          @emgee

          Michael

          I notice you are able to download a copy of the CAM program FOC, do this and you can compare easily what's available within the program and see if it would suit your use.

          Emgee

          #571596
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            Emgee

            I have the 'trial' download … but, since I am still considering my possible use, I am seeking guidance from those more familiar with such things.

            MichaelG.

            #571619
            Emgee
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              @emgee

              Did you view the Demo video ? if not that may answer some questions.

              Emgee

              #571621
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133
                Posted by Emgee on 16/11/2021 21:51:15:

                Did you view the Demo video ? if not that may answer some questions.

                Emgee

                .

                Yes, I viewed the demo video … and No it doesn't answer my question.

                What I want to know is how good, and how versatile, this module actually is.

                I currently have a small grbl laser engraver, but will hopefully be venturing into other [as yet unspecified] aspects of CNC.

                Whilst I am grateful for you taking the trouble to respond: What I want is some advice from someone who has the practical experience that I lack.

                MichaelG.

                #571646
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  As Donald Rumsfeld famously put it :

                  … there are also unknown-unknowns …

                  MichaelG.

                  .

                  Ref. __ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_known_knowns

                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 08:05:28

                  #571675
                  blowlamp
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                    @blowlamp

                    It seems you may struggle to find many users of the QCAM module – it's not something I have come across in my CAD/CAM travels, I must admit.

                    If you just want a well sorted & reliable CAM system for milling & laser at a reasonable price point, then I suggest you download the CamBam trial software. It will accept DXF files from QCAD, as well as STL & STEP for any 3D work you may want to do in the future.

                    CamBam has an excellent support forum which will put you back on track as and when you need it. There are also people on here that can help too – me included.

                    Martin.

                    #571691
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      The one big advantage of having the CAD and CAM in the same program is that if part way through the CAM you find you need to alter the part it should be possible to do that and the CAM file automatically update. If you are exporting/importing from one program to another then you basically have to start again with the newly imported revised part.

                      #571699
                      blowlamp
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                        @blowlamp
                        Posted by JasonB on 17/11/2021 12:49:55:

                        The one big advantage of having the CAD and CAM in the same program is that if part way through the CAM you find you need to alter the part it should be possible to do that and the CAM file automatically update. If you are exporting/importing from one program to another then you basically have to start again with the newly imported revised part.

                        CamBam has some very usable CAD facilities built into it that allows editing of imported files and in fact quite a few users draw their projects from scratch within it.

                        Martin.

                        #571718
                        John Baron
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                          @johnbaron31275
                          Posted by blowlamp on 17/11/2021 11:47:54:

                          It seems you may struggle to find many users of the QCAM module – it's not something I have come across in my CAD/CAM travels, I must admit.

                          If you just want a well sorted & reliable CAM system for milling & laser at a reasonable price point, then I suggest you download the CamBam trial software. It will accept DXF files from QCAD, as well as STL & STEP for any 3D work you may want to do in the future.

                          CamBam has an excellent support forum which will put you back on track as and when you need it. There are also people on here that can help too – me included.

                          Martin.

                          A major problem for me is that there is no Linux version of CamBam ! Where as Qcad with the Cam module does support Linux. Having said that I do use Qcad regularly, and I have played with the Cam part but don't actually use it in anger, not having any CNC machines.

                          #571723
                          blowlamp
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                            @blowlamp
                            Posted by John Baron on 17/11/2021 15:32:00:

                            Posted by blowlamp on 17/11/2021 11:47:54:

                            It seems you may struggle to find many users of the QCAM module – it's not something I have come across in my CAD/CAM travels, I must admit.

                            If you just want a well sorted & reliable CAM system for milling & laser at a reasonable price point, then I suggest you download the CamBam trial software. It will accept DXF files from QCAD, as well as STL & STEP for any 3D work you may want to do in the future.

                            CamBam has an excellent support forum which will put you back on track as and when you need it. There are also people on here that can help too – me included.

                            Martin.

                            A major problem for me is that there is no Linux version of CamBam ! Where as Qcad with the Cam module does support Linux. Having said that I do use Qcad regularly, and I have played with the Cam part but don't actually use it in anger, not having any CNC machines.

                            Here you go.

                            #571734
                            Another JohnS
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                              @anotherjohns

                              Michael – maybe off topic, maybe not?? You decide.

                              I'm a CamBam Linux user, and a QCAD linux user. Paid the "subscription" for both of them.

                              I actually do 99% of my CAD on my Linux machine, my Windows partition containing Alibre Atom 3D and Meshcam gets turned on maybe every 6 months or so. I just like Linux, and do share my monitor with an Apple Mac Mini, and poor old Windows comes last. I did download CAMBAM on Windows, so I do know it starts up, but have not actually used it. (nor Meshcam!)

                              I build to plans; I enjoy making parts; the 3D designing part of my brain gets used for other things other than Model Engineering, so likely my thoughts are different than the norm. I do watch what Jason does; fantastic work.

                              My current project is finishing up two Southworth 3" pumps; I just QCAD up the parts, CAMBAM them, and transfer the gcode files to my CNC machines in my workshop. I'm building 2 of them, and parts are interchangeable, as one would expect. After that, back on my Martin-Evans "Ivatt", when that's complete, we'll see.

                              Saying the above, my thoughts are to use Windows 10 more often, but it seems to be always updating when I turn it on, so there goes my evening. My CNC machines all run Linux, we have a couple of Macs and Macbooks and iPads/iPhones, so Windows is definitely the odd thing in our abode.

                              I did write a few articles in Model Engineer showing what I did with QCAD and CAMBAM when building my Kozo Shay locomotive, if that is of any interest to you.

                              John.

                              #571745
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                A somewhat delayed ‘thank you’ for the input, Gentlemen yes

                                [ we were out for the afternoon ]

                                Martin hit the nail on he head when he wrote: “It seems you may struggle to find many users of the QCAM module”

                                … and the truth of that observation is, of course, is what prompted me to start this thread.

                                As Jason then observed, however … there are perceived advantages to having CAD and CAM integrated into a package from a single supplier.

                                I guess my question is really : Does QCAD/CAM have any significant issues which would make it worth the effort of using two discrete packages instead ?

                                Since there appears to be little take-up of QCAD/CAM, that question ^^^ may in fact be unanswerable sad

                                … I certainly don’t have the background knowledge to make an ‘informed decision’ at the moment.

                                It does seem clear that there is wide enthusiasm for CamBam … so I will surely need to investigate that.

                                .

                                One thing I should mention is that I expect to use ‘whatever’ on my old MacBook Pro, which runs El Capitan:

                                RibbonSoft seems to be particularly ‘friendly’ regarding legacy machines, and QCAD/CAM is available in versions to suit most of the Mac operating systems.

                                You will see that I am stumbling around in the dark here … So, whilst I have a look at CamBam, I would be very grateful for any further input.

                                MichaelG.

                                #571747
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                  UPDATE :

                                  Oh well … that didn’t take long:

                                  System Requirements

                                  CamBam V1.0 requires the Microsoft .NET framework version 4.

                                  CamBam has been tested on Windows versions from XP up to Windows 10.

                                  .

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #571755
                                  blowlamp
                                  Participant
                                    @blowlamp

                                    Which operating system do you intend to use?

                                    Martin.

                                    #571758
                                    Michael Gilligan
                                    Participant
                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 18:17:40:

                                      […]

                                      One thing I should mention is that I expect to use ‘whatever’ on my old MacBook Pro, which runs El Capitan:

                                      […]

                                      .

                                      Martin,

                                      Please see above ^^^

                                      The [2009 vintage] MBP currently runs El Capitan, and I intend to continue using that.

                                      MichaelG.

                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 19:06:48

                                      #571764
                                      John Baron
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                                        @johnbaron31275
                                        Posted by blowlamp on 17/11/2021 16:01:24:

                                        Posted by John Baron on 17/11/2021 15:32:00:

                                        Posted by blowlamp on 17/11/2021 11:47:54:

                                        It seems you may struggle to find many users of the QCAM module – it's not something I have come across in my CAD/CAM travels, I must admit.

                                        If you just want a well sorted & reliable CAM system for milling & laser at a reasonable price point, then I suggest you download the CamBam trial software. It will accept DXF files from QCAD, as well as STL & STEP for any 3D work you may want to do in the future.

                                        CamBam has an excellent support forum which will put you back on track as and when you need it. There are also people on here that can help too – me included.

                                        Martin.

                                        A major problem for me is that there is no Linux version of CamBam ! Where as Qcad with the Cam module does support Linux. Having said that I do use Qcad regularly, and I have played with the Cam part but don't actually use it in anger, not having any CNC machines.

                                        Here you go.

                                        Hi Blowlamp,

                                        Thankyou for that link ! I'll have a play with that.

                                        #571774
                                        blowlamp
                                        Participant
                                          @blowlamp
                                          Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 19:05:35:

                                          Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 18:17:40:

                                          […]

                                          One thing I should mention is that I expect to use ‘whatever’ on my old MacBook Pro, which runs El Capitan:

                                          […]

                                          .

                                          Martin,

                                          Please see above ^^^

                                          The [2009 vintage] MBP currently runs El Capitan, and I intend to continue using that.

                                          MichaelG.

                                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 17/11/2021 19:06:48

                                          That's a bit of a limitation, Michael. wink

                                          The QCAM module appears to be limited to profile cuts, which can have a wide range of facilities within them, but I doubt would be enough once you become a capable CNC'er.

                                          At the moment, the only Apple compatible CAM I can think of with a reasonable price/performance ratio would be Deskproto. Although it is primarily designed as a 3D system (Geometry Machining) , it also has enough 2D facilities (Vector Machining) to do useful work.

                                          In essence, if you could find a Windows machine that you'd be happy using, then your choice would expand greatly. devil

                                          Martin.

                                          #571776
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            I guess that’s ‘case-closed’ then.

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #571783
                                            Andy Carlson
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                                              @andycarlson18141

                                              I can't answer your question Michael as I use just QCAD myself but I am interested in the discussion.

                                              FWIW I use dxf2gcode to do G Code generation. It is fairly basic but helped by some careful layer naming (tool diameter etc) it has got me up and running. It's OK for profiling and has recently had pocket milling added but probably falls a long way short of some other CAM options. All of my stuff is on Windoze but the web page says it works on Linux and Mac too.

                                              #571804
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                                Thanks for the reference, Andy yes

                                                I will have a look at dfx2gcode before deciding which way to jump.

                                                I’ve already found a simple tutorial, here : **LINK**

                                                https://forums.maslowcnc.com/t/dxf2gcode-tutorial/10209

                                                MichaelG.

                                                .

                                                … and, incidentally, that Maslow project is rather inspirational

                                                #571820
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                                  Based on the notes here: **LINK**

                                                  https://sourceforge.net/p/dxf2gcode/wiki/Installation/

                                                  … I’m tending towards QCAD/CAM as my optimal solution

                                                  [ and will just have to hope there are no ‘gotchas’ ]

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #571833
                                                  Andy Carlson
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                                                    @andycarlson18141
                                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/11/2021 10:24:33:

                                                    Based on the notes here: **LINK**

                                                    https://sourceforge.net/p/dxf2gcode/wiki/Installation/

                                                    … I’m tending towards QCAD/CAM as my optimal solution

                                                    [ and will just have to hope there are no ‘gotchas’ ]

                                                    Yes the Mac installation does look rather techie. It's easy on Windows unless you want the bleeding edge changes.

                                                    Do let us know how you get on if you go for QCAD/CAM.

                                                    #571882
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                                      Well … after faffing about all day, I’ve finally made the purchase

                                                      Total, including VAT, was £93.84 using PayPal

                                                      That does make the CAM extension look quite pricey … but it also looks exhaustive !

                                                      I have exported the GCode from a simple drawing, and it opens nicely in UGS ; so my hopes are high.

                                                      **LINK** : https://winder.github.io/ugs_website/download/

                                                      … I will report back in a couple of weeks.

                                                      MichaelG.

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