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31 October 2016 at 23:38 #264100
John Stevenson 1
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Decided I need to be dragged screaming into the 20 century so going to have a look at Fusion 360 as a 3D CAD program.

Asking one question only, so please note and read.

Any advise on a decent mouse to use ? USB preferably as the keyboard is wireless.

Currently using a Logitech track ball which is nice as I'm used to it but it doesn't scroll or rotate.

Answers from Fusion 360 users will obviously be of more use to me.

Thanks.
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31 October 2016 at 23:38 #21211
John Stevenson 1
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1 November 2016 at 00:04 #264101
Mark C
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@markc
I don't do fusion, Solidworks only. Having said that, I went through the mouse thing when the "space ball's" hit the market and everyone assured me they increased productivity significantly but I can't get on with them and the cost was prohibitive at the time (a few years back now).

I now use a logitech gaming mouse (G700) which is great as I can program the buttons for shortcuts and sensitivity and the thing is wireless with rechargeable batteries in it – you plug it's USB "tail" in when it needs charging and the rest of the time it is a "hamster" (no lead! ).

For reference, the need to alter the sensitivity is to allow me to pick "hard to get" edges and vertices etc which are linked to the screen pixel size and hence getting smaller and smaller. I also program different acceleration and whatnot to suit normal PC use or drawing modes as they are quite different when you get fully conversant with your chosen drawing package.

Mark
1 November 2016 at 00:32 #264103
Bob Jepp
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I don't do Fusion either – it's Autodesk Inventor for me.

I use a Logitech something or other ( legend long since worn off ! ) with a scroll wheel for zooming etc. and forward and back buttons.

Absolutely essential – I find as I haven't mastered the standard mouse in 3d yet – a 3DConnexion Space Navigator ( the basic one – it was cheap at about £40 when they first came out ) for pitching, rolling, yawing and XYZ panning – once you get the axis set as you like them it becomes so intuitive.

Bob
1 November 2016 at 02:09 #264110
Muzzer
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@muzzer
I just use a normal mouse for the right hand and a 3Dconnexion mouse for my left. I just have the basic "Spacenavigator" device, although you can get some really fancy ones covered with hot keys etc that look as if they are off a space ship. I'm probably just too old for them. John Saunders hates 3D mice but I find them a vast improvement on trying to use a std mouse for panning, zooming etc. After only a couple of hours, manipulating the model / drawing becomes almost instinctive. I now have 3 of them, including the smaller travel version linked above. The bigger one is heavier which can be a help but I like the portability of the smaller model.

If you get a 3D mouse, they work not just with Fusion 360 but all the other main CAD apps including SW, SE, Inventor, Onshape etc – and even many Windows and Office apps. You can scroll etc in Excel, Chrome etc. That's of little interest to me beyond novelty value but you need to be careful not to nudge the mouse when in other documents!

No matter what CAD program you use, I'd recommend one of these.

Murray
1 November 2016 at 07:22 #264120
Gary Wooding
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@garywooding25363
I use Fusion and find my Logitech with scroll wheel works fine.
1 November 2016 at 07:29 #264121
Paul Lousick
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@paullousick59116
Also used a 3Dconexion Spacenavigator mouse with Solidworks when I was working as a professional drafter but normally use a spandard mouse with my laptop. Bit hard to use the 3D mouse with computer on your lap.

Paul

Edited By Paul Lousick on 01/11/2016 07:31:10
1 November 2016 at 09:00 #264133
Neil Wyatt
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> 3Dconnexion mouse

I still have nightmares about programmable mices. Does anyone else remember having to individually program them for different programs (as we called apps in those days…)

Neil
2 November 2016 at 00:43 #264323
John Stevenson 1
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@johnstevenson1
OK got loads of input and many say the Space Navigator is the bees knees but need clarification on a couple of items.

Watched John Saunders over at NYCNC and he reckons that a 3D mouse is better also in the blurb for the navigator and from what a couple of people have written [ this post is on 4 forums ] the following:-

" Simply push, pull, twist or tilt the 3Dconnexion controller cap to intuitively pan, zoom and rotate, while your other hand simultaneously uses your existing mouse to select, create or edit. "

So you still need a normal mouse to select drop down menu's etc ??
2 November 2016 at 01:36 #264327
Paul Lousick
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@paullousick59116
Yep, I use the Space Navigator in my left hand to rotate and zoom the model and the standard mouse to do the other operations.

There are more sophisticated models with heaps of additional buttons that will do other commands but you have to be able to use all of your fingers and remember what each button does. I am not that clever. Lots of videos on facebook and by http://www.3dconnexion.com.

Paul.

Edited By Paul Lousick on 02/11/2016 01:40:42
2 November 2016 at 08:46 #264343
Mark C
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That's why I don't use one.

I find it easier to run the mouse in right hand and then my left hand is free to key in dimensions and hold my drink. manipulating the model is done by pressing and holding the middle button down or scrolling the wheel to zoom in or out. It just felt natural as opposed to needing both hands. I also like the way the software puts up a few obvious commands on a small pallet for the most likely thing you will need next. If I want the full list, right clicking brings a comprehensive list up.

Mark
2 November 2016 at 09:43 #264361
Ady1
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@ady1
I just use the MS IntelliMouse Explorer, but I don't bother programming it, you get pan, zoom and spin just by using the centre scroll wheel button

Windows has an on-screen keyboard which you can use instead of your physical keyboard for shortcut stuff on the CAD page

In XP it's in start-all programs-accessories-accessibility-on screen keyboard

A simple system means portability to tablets etc when required

I actually have 5 of these mice now, a seller on a well known site sells them for about 12 quid a pop

Edited By Ady1 on 02/11/2016 09:59:00
2 November 2016 at 09:46 #264363
Clive Foster
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@clivefoster55965
Contemplating same issue as John except I use a Kensington Expert trackball which has a scroll wheel and 4 buttons but, presumably, still not enough gibbons to comfortably deal with Fusion or other 3D CAD. Could I switch that to the left hand with a Space navigator on the right or do I need to get a rodent and excavate space on the desk for a mouse mat. As I'm on a Mac how about a magic trackpad on the left?

Clive.
2 November 2016 at 09:53 #264365
Circlip
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@circlip
Still using Logitech M570 on this forum as well. Only problem is with cr*p micro switches, using this repair **LINK** gives a trouble free fix.Din't know about "third button" for scrolling, mine has a proper scroll wheel.

Regards Ian.
2 November 2016 at 10:04 #264369
Ady1
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@ady1
Din't know about "third button" for scrolling, mine has a proper scroll wheel.

the scroll wheel zooms, clickhold it and it 360degree spins, shift and clickhold and it pans, so you get the whole lot on the centre scroll wheel

Gaming mice are hard to beat…. because if you don't shoot first you die! aaaaaaaahhh!
2 November 2016 at 10:31 #264383
Muzzer
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John, you still need a normal mouse to access the menus if you have a 3Dconnexions "mouse". It doesn't move the mouse cursor, it only manipulates the model. It's rather like being able to grab the model and rotate or zoom it using your left hand (although you can actually configure it for left handed operation if you prefer).

You really need to try one to know what it's like – a bit of a Catch 22 admittedly. It's true that you can manage fine without one as we did for years, it's just that they speed stuff up. Instead of constantly interrupting an operation so you can select the model, hold the middle button down and pan / zoom etc, then resuming the original operation, you can do all of those manipulations at once without interruption.

I reckons it takes several hours before your brain becomes fully programmed to use them. The first hour or so was a bit of a trial but it soon clicked into place. I take my 3D travel mouse to meetings – it's worth bringing along. As for operating it on my knee, I would struggle to do any serious work in that situation anyway.

Murray
2 November 2016 at 11:02 #264393
Fatgadgi
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@fatgadgi
Hi John

I'm not a CAD power user, but the guys at work are and use the hell out of Inventor, which is similar in terms of navigation to Fusion. They all use 3Dconnexions mousy thingies and they all love them. They've had these and similar ones for years, and I think they would leave if I tried to take them away now.

But I am an occasional user of Inventor and use Fusion mainly for the CAM bit at home, and I get along no problem without one, which is probably not least because my brain needs the delays to work out what the next steps are. And I agree with Muzzer, there is a long learning (or brain programming) phase – they are easy to operate, but not easy to get them to do what you want.

Anyway, for my money, if you are an occasional user, don't bother. If you competent with Fusion and use it a lot, then yes, they are great.

Cheers – Will
2 November 2016 at 11:06 #264396
Paul Lousick
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@paullousick59116
In the earlier days working with Autocad, I used both hands to create 2D drawings. Learnt to use a mouse with my left hand and used my right to work the keyboard (could not type with my left). Quicker than puting the mouse down all of the time to enter numbers.

Paul.
2 November 2016 at 11:41 #264401
simondavies3
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@simondavies3
I bought a refurbished 3DConnexion space mouse soon after I started using OnShape (and before they offered support for them – duh) – cannot believe how easy it is to use – I still use the ordinary mouse for all of the move-add-draw etc and the keyboard for other inputs using my right hand but the 3D mouse in my left hand is a revelation – highly recommended even for this amateur, once-a-week user.

Simon
2 November 2016 at 23:20 #264509
John Stevenson 1
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@johnstevenson1
Well asked on this forum plus a couple more and the consensus is you need a mouse and the space navigator and they are about £100 and I'm not prepared to spend this money on a chance.

I need a new mouse anyway as my existing Logitech Marble trackball isn't 3D, no scroll or pan so today I order a 3D mouse and I'll see how I get on with that.Fusion 360 has loads of shortcut keys and coming off a very old 2D Cad program I'm well versed with shortcut keys and can't see how you can use a mouse , Navigator and keyboard with two hands ?

I'll keep you posted.
3 November 2016 at 11:08 #264558
HOWARDT
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@howardt
When I first started using AutoCad back in 1988 I used an A3 tablet with a menu on it and a wired pen. As time moved on the tablet became out of date and we moved to a mouse and keyboard shortcuts. Then when Inventor came along I continued to use shortcuts. I did use a 3DConnexion space mouse, they used to sell it half price for home use, for some time but stil found myself going back to shortcuts. I now use Fusion360 at home and still prefer mouse and shortcuts.
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