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  • #92930
    Adam Binnersley
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      @adambinnersley41973

      Hi, I have been asked to help a friend out with a project he inherited.

      We have old paper drawings of a 5"G Netta by LBSC which I have scanned and have in .pdf and .jpg formats. Can anyone offer any advice on the best way to convert these if possible to .dwg for use with a CNC machine?

      Thanks

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      #21138
      Adam Binnersley
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        @adambinnersley41973
        #92984
        M0BND
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          @m0bnd

          Re-draw using a cad program such as draftsight (which is free). When you say for use on cnc, what cnc machine? Something like an XYZ machine would use DXF format and makes things easier, or use a full CAM package from the dwg or dxf file to generate the nc file for the cnc machine to use.

          Andy.

          #92985
          Robert Dodds
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            @robertdodds43397

            Adam,

            You need a "Raster to Vector" software. Scan2cad has been around some time and there is a free trial download but it is restricted in size until you buy the full version..

            Google "scan drawings to dxf" to find several agencies who offer a converting service. Costs not known.

            Bob D

            #92986
            John Stevenson 1
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              @johnstevenson1

              Plenty of programs that convert raster to vector, only problem is if these are wanted accurate then you are going to have to redraw.

              They are OK for arty farty stuff like logo's but if you are working to tolerances of less than a post code then sorry but you have to put the time in and redraw.

              John S.

              #93001
              Russell Eberhardt
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                @russelleberhardt48058

                Redrawing in CAD will also help you to spot any errors in the original drawings.

                +1 for Draftsight.

                Russell.

                #93005
                John Haine
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                  @johnhaine32865

                  I believe that the Tornado project to build a new full-size A1 locomotive converted all the drawings to CAD by scanning. Actually no, I've just checked in my workshop manual (a good read) and they were scanned to electronic form and then cleaned up, re-dimensioned and toleranced etc, but I guess when they needed to generate CAM files they must have been re-drawn in a CAD system. This would suggest you take the re-draw route.

                  #93048
                  Adam Binnersley
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                    @adambinnersley41973

                    Thanks for all the replies, looks like I'm going to have to re-draw as my friend has come to me because it was too expensive to get a company to scan it for him.

                    Which would you recommend out of Autocad and Draftsight for ease of use?

                    I'm not new to cad but I am new to reproducing these sort of drawings, looks like i'm going to be on here a lot in the next few weeks.

                    #93133
                    Russell Eberhardt
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                      @russelleberhardt48058

                      Unless you are using it all the time I find the latest versions of Autocad too complicated. I used to find Autocad 2000 to be good but my current machine won't run it so I use Draftsight which is similar – and it's free.

                      Russell

                      #93149
                      M0BND
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                        @m0bnd

                        Definitely draftsight as it's free (unlike the robbing autodesk people!!!) and the interface and functionality is VERY close to autocad.

                        Excellent online help/videos and downloadable getting started 'ebook'.

                        if you get stuck ask on here or PM me and I may be able to help.

                        Andy.

                        #93151
                        Sub Mandrel
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                          @submandrel

                          In theory Corel Trace will convert line art to vector, and then you can load it onto Corel Draw and save as a DWG. In practice I find it impossible to set the filters to get a low enough node count fir it to be possible to tidy it up while preserving required detail.

                          What I do is import drawings (e.g. a crude 3-view) or bitmaps inro Corel Draw and draw the lines 'over' the bitmap. It's surprisingly quick and imagine would work even better in a true CAD programme.

                          Neil

                          #93171
                          Russell Eberhardt
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                            @russelleberhardt48058
                            What I do is import drawings (e.g. a crude 3-view) or bitmaps inro Corel Draw and draw the lines 'over' the bitmap. It's surprisingly quick and imagine would work even better in a true CAD

                            You can do this in DraftSight by choosing from the menus; Insert > Reference Image. You will however have to ba careful to get the scale right.

                            Russell.

                            #93190
                            Peter Seager
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                              @peterseager57150

                              I used to find Autocad 2000 to be good but my current machine won't run it

                              Russell

                              I run Autocad 2000 on Windows XP and am worried that if I upgrade the PC it won't run. What is you current machine.

                              Peter

                              #93205
                              Russell Eberhardt
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                                @russelleberhardt48058

                                Peter,

                                Sorry I don't know if Autocad 2000 will run on Windows 7. Vista certainly gave problems. I was running it on Windows XP with no problems but I now run Linux with XP running on a virtual machine it used to run OK but an upgrade to the virtual machine software has broken something.

                                If you upgrade your machine why not stick to XP. Failing that, if you can stand the complexity of the program you can get Autocad 2013 here free of charge if you are either a student or a retired professional engineer.

                                Me, I'll stick to Draftsight nowthere are Mac, Linux, and Windows versions available all free.

                                Russell.

                                #93207
                                Sub Mandrel
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                                  @submandrel

                                  Hi Peter,

                                  I find that compatibility modes in Vista will run old programmes that wouldn't run 100% under XP. I don't know if this applies to W7, but I expect it does. You need to open the 'properties' of the program ( .exe) file that causes problems and select teh compaitibility settings and choose an earlier version of windows it runs under.

                                  Neil

                                  #93211
                                  M0BND
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                                    @m0bnd

                                    Don't use autocad!!!!!! I use draft sight EVERY DAY, it's free, want help? PM me! I make .DXF files for XYZ machines daily, use it to interpret drawings……. I can't say how useful this software is. It works on windows 7, Linux? Maybe(think so) Mac possibly(think so).

                                    its soooo easy, give it 1 day with the correct free training?

                                    Andy

                                    #93254
                                    Peter Seager
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                                      @peterseager57150

                                      Thanks for the advice guys. I had wondered about the keep XP route but in time there may be problems with things like Internet Explorer. MS have ways of driving you to updates. Basically I am happy with the functionality of Autocad 2000 Lite and Office 2000 etc, at times, it would just be nice to take advantage of the speed of a new machine.

                                      Peter

                                      #93292
                                      Michael Gilligan
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                                        @michaelgilligan61133
                                        Posted by M0BND on 28/06/2012 00:00:15:

                                        Don't use autocad!!!!!! I use draft sight EVERY DAY, it's free, want help? PM me! I make .DXF files for XYZ machines daily, use it to interpret drawings……. I can't say how useful this software is. It works on windows 7, Linux? Maybe(think so) Mac possibly(think so).

                                        its soooo easy, give it 1 day with the correct free training?

                                        Andy

                                        Andy,

                                        Yes,the Mac version of DraftSight works fine.

                                        MichaelG.

                                        #93316
                                        Russell Eberhardt
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                                          @russelleberhardt48058

                                          Posted by Michael Gilligan on 29/06/2012 09:40:42:

                                          Yes,the Mac version of DraftSight works fine.

                                          As does the Linux version.

                                          Russell.

                                          #93350
                                          Peter Seager
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                                            @peterseager57150

                                            I have downloaded DraftSight onto Windows XP and even on my old machine it seems to perform well. It read and printed a drawing created by AutoCad without any problems. Looks like the way to go. Only gripe is that looking on Dassault's website I could not find a description of what functionality is covered and what computer spec is recommended. I can only assume everything in the professional edition is in the single user version and no embarrassing over printing. I looked at the AutoCad for students and the retired (by which I think they actually mean unemployed) and got frightened off by the varieties of AutoCad before you ever start using it.

                                            Peter

                                            Edited By Peter Seager on 29/06/2012 21:24:28

                                            #93359
                                            AndyP
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                                              @andyp13730

                                              I couldn't find a description of functionality either but the hardware requirements are in the FAQ

                                              Andy

                                              #93385
                                              Peter Seager
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                                                @peterseager57150
                                                Posted by AndyP on 29/06/2012 22:22:40:

                                                I couldn't find a description of functionality either but the hardware requirements are in the FAQ

                                                Andy

                                                Thanks that just what I wanted.

                                                Peter

                                                #95724
                                                Paul Lousick
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                                                  @paullousick59116

                                                  Autocad is a far superior product to DraftSight. I have been using it for more than 20 years as a mechanical drughtsman, also 3D programs like solidworks and Pro Engineer. DraftSight is slightly similar but lacks many of the features of Autocad.

                                                  Paper drawings can be scanned and converted to vector format for use in CAD programs but they are not drawn to scale and are useless for exporting to CNC machines,

                                                  BUT if you are not familiar to either program and only want to convert paper drawings to CAD, I would go for DrastSight because it is free. Even Autocad LT (cut down version) is still expensive.

                                                  Remeber though that Draftsight is only a 2D CAD program and the DXF files which it could export can only be used in 2D machines such as profile cutting steel plate.

                                                  If you want to make files suitable for use in CNC milling machine you will have to have a program that models in 3D such as Solidworks, Pro Engineer or Inventor.

                                                  Hope this was useful, Paul

                                                  #95725
                                                  John Stevenson 1
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                                                    @johnstevenson1
                                                    Posted by Paul Lousick on 04/08/2012 09:32:01:

                                                    Remeber though that Draftsight is only a 2D CAD program and the DXF files which it could export can only be used in 2D machines such as profile cutting steel plate.

                                                    If you want to make files suitable for use in CNC milling machine you will have to have a program that models in 3D such as Solidworks, Pro Engineer or Inventor.

                                                    Hope this was useful, Paul

                                                    .

                                                    Totaly a wrong statement, 90% of parts produced on CNC machines are done in what is known as 2 1/2D where the X and Y mimic the layout of the flat paper drawing and the depth Z is taken from the drawing and given to the software so it knows how deep to cut.

                                                    It has to be like this as you need depth of cut passes as it's very rare unless you have a shallow part that you can cut it in one pass.

                                                    Even if you use a full blown expensive 3D CAD package the CAM side of it still needs to know depth of cuts.

                                                    In 20 years of working CNC machines I have only needed to resort to 3D on two occasions.

                                                    Even this was taken from a flat 2D drawing.

                                                    16" diameter, 6" deep and all done from one simple flat drawing with 2 views.

                                                    John S.

                                                    #95788
                                                    Paul Lousick
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                                                      @paullousick59116

                                                      I disagree that 90% of CNC parts are produced from 2D Cad drawings, more like 9%. The example shown is no more complex than profile cutting from plate which only reqiured a 2D drawing Anything more complex which does not have the same profile all of the way thru cannot be made this way. For example machining an engibe block or a making case for a mobile phone cannot be done from a 2D drawing.

                                                      CNC milling machines, pattern making machines for castings and machining centres to name a few can produce complex angular and curved shapes which are imposible to make without a 3D model. But as I have said earlier if the reqirement is only to convert paper drawings to 2D CAD for controlling a profile cutter for cutting steel plate then DraftSight should be OK.

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