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  • #87712
    EtheAv8r
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      @etheav8r

      Thank you for this article. Thanks to Martin Widdowson, I believe I have finally found the CAD program to use with my CNC adventures using Cut2D/Mach3/Sieg KX3. I have been trying to get to grips with DraftSight – very flexible, extremely powerful and a wonderful CAD program that is free. It is not intuitive for me and I found it a battle to do even simpler things.

      However ViaCAD makes many of the simple things I want to do rather easy. I guess the artical was written some time ago and the ViaCAD v7 2d/3D version and download specified are no longer available, so it is a choice between ViaCad v7 2D only at $40 or ViaCad v8 2D/3D at $100. The 2D only product will almost certainly suffice, by the new v8 2D/3D has some additional features and better future potential to also plat with 3D – you pays yer money etc…

      I made more progress in one evening producing a drawing in ViaCAD than I managed in a week with DraftSight. This is not a slight on DraftSight, but the way you work in ViaCAD is just easier for me to get the required results.

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      #21134
      EtheAv8r
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        @etheav8r
        #87721
        Gray62
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          @gray62

          Draftsight works very much in the same way as AutoCad and if you have no CAD training then neither are going to appear to be intuitive.

          I have struggled with just about every CAD package available, including AutoCad, TurboCad, DraftDight et al.

          I recently enlisted the assistance of a close friend who teaches CAD to military students and who has over 30 years CAD experience.

          My Tech drawing knowledge is limited to an O level course in TD but having spent just 4 hours with someone familiar with CAD, I have learnt so much.

          I would highly recommend anyone looking to learn CAD to take a few lessons from someone 'in the know'

          It makes the learning curve so much less steep!

          How about ME or MEW running a BASIC cad series. It is so much more fundemental to our practices than promoting 3D CAD or CNC principles.

          Lets face it, if you can't draw it in 2D can you actually make it!!

          Drawing on paper is great, that is what I used to do, now I have grasped the basic principles of CAD, I don't think I will ever get paper and pencil out again wink

          Graeme

          #87723
          NJH
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            @njh

            Hi Graeme (and David)

            Good idea. like you my Tech drawing is as old as the hills. In response to a query on a forum here I recently attempted to produce a 2D drawing from a CAD package – I have zero knowledge – and after some hours of error and frustration I did get a little way along the road. In the end though I resorted to photographing the bits and adding dimensions in Photoshop. Not very satisfactory.

            How about one of you knowledgeable guys out there finding a simple ( free download) 2D drawing package and penning a few notes of assistance – and David how about running this as an intro to 2D CAD in MEW?

             

            Edited By NJH on 21/03/2012 19:05:17

            #87725
            Russell Eberhardt
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              @russelleberhardt48058

              Yes, Draftsight is comlicated and any CAD system takes some effort to learn. There is a good tutorial for Draftsight here: Download It is worthwhile working through at least the first few chapters.

              I started with Autocad many years ago and Draftsight is the only free/low cost package I can get on with.

              Russell.

              #87734
              John Haine
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                @johnhaine32865

                One solution for drawing only is Libre Office Draw. Libre Office is the open-source equivalent of Microsoft Office and is excellent, and free. Draw is very intuitive to use to produce drawings but I haven't found a way yet to export into DXF to enter a CAM program. But well worth a look if you just want to produce drawings.  Also available and compatible across PC, MAC, and Linux operating systems.

                Edited By John Haine on 21/03/2012 20:44:59

                #87735
                Swarf Maker
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                  @swarfmaker85383

                  Having only done technical drawing at school the search for an easy to use CAD programme for 2D led me to QCAD. It is an accurate, reasonably comprehensive and 'paper and pencil' intuitive programme that fills all of my requirements. A non technical friend has also found it easy to use and provide me with drawings of the bits he has needed me to make. Even my wife has used it for house layouts and garden plans!

                  #87742
                  Anonymous

                    But surely the things we make are inherently 3D, so why would we want to design them in 2D? smiley

                    Over the years I've used pencil and paper, proper drawing boards, several flavours of 2D, and of 3D, CAD. Personally I wouldn't use anything other than 3D CAD now. I find it more intuitive and quicker than 2D; it also allows me to assemble components to check for fits and alignments before cutting metal. And for multi-dimensional curves and free form surfaces it's not easy to accurately represent them in 2D form.

                    Regards,

                    Andrew

                    Quack, quack: that's me ducking!

                    #87746
                    EtheAv8r
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                      @etheav8r

                      ViaCad v8 2D/3D is available for free download and is fully functional for 15 days, when the ability to save is disabled until the licence key is provided. So one can give it a good try out.

                      I have worked trough some of the DraftSight tutorials and even printed out the full user guide. When following them it is OK, but when I come back a few days later and try to draw a simple part….. stumble stumble. With ViaCAD I found it so much more intuative…. still a bunch of stuff that I need to get to grips with, like triming, but I have found it much more doable with ViaCAD – I think I will go for it and buy a licence.

                      CAD that cannot export to DXF is of no use – this posting is about drawing for CNC fun and games.

                      Russell – your link is to something called Dymola – not DraftSight – and it looked about as user friendly as a cornered rat….. smiley

                      Edited By EtheAv8r on 21/03/2012 23:14:03

                      #87749
                      John Stevenson 1
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                        @johnstevenson1

                        Andrew,

                        Just bought a copy last week, they had a 20% sale on.

                        looked but it's been transfered to Viacad pro 7 this week.

                        Not used it yet, work getting in the way.

                        John s.

                        #87752
                        Styx
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                          @styx

                          I use Solid Edge 2D drafting which is a free program and can be downloaded here

                          I find it easy to use and has a tutorial to get you started. You just need to give a few details and then they email you a download link.

                          Hope this helps.

                          Steve….

                          Edited By David Clark 1 on 24/03/2012 09:36:25

                          #87753
                          John Stevenson 1
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                            @johnstevenson1

                            I have posted this before probably on this forum but also many other forums, so here goes again.

                            CAD is like religion.

                            There is no one program suits all. What one person recomends and gets on with, another will hate.

                            The answer is to sort the recomendations out and then download the demo's and then work thru the tutorials. Allow 3 to 5 days for a 2D program and 10 days for a 3D program before deciding.

                            They all have a learning curve, some greater than others but this can pay off over a period of time in increased productivity. I know most are not in production but unless CAD is your hobby then the idea is to get on with the next part of the job.

                            Many of the things we do in the workshop are 2D objects, in fact most are derived from 2D drawings. 2D CAD systems tend to be very quic and it's surprising what you can do with them, lets face it 2D is only an electronic drawing board and we had manual drawing boards for ages and even won a few world wars with them.

                            3D is very good when assemblies come into play, will it fit etc but at the expense of a steep learning curve and in most cases a longer way of doing things. What many do not realise is it's hard to get a 2D drawing from a sketch in a 3D program. You have to sketch the part, extrude it and work on it to get the 3D shape then the 2D draing can be automatically generated from the 3D model. If you only want a quick sketch for a layout then this can be frustrating.

                            This doesn't give you as much control over the drawing as a a 2D program where what you draw is what you see.

                            Basically what I am saying is decide if you need to go the full 3D route when you start. For many given that virtually all the drawing in MEW and ME are 2D drawings, this can make the learing curve a lot easier.

                            John S.

                            #87761
                            Russell Eberhardt
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                              @russelleberhardt48058
                              Posted by EtheAv8r on 21/03/2012 23:08:13:

                              Russell – your link is to something called Dymola – not DraftSight – and it looked about as user friendly as a cornered rat….. smiley

                              Whoops – finger trouble. I meant this

                              I suppose I prefer DraftSight because of the similarity of it's interface to Autocad. This dog's a bit old to learn new tricks.

                              John is absolutely right about 3D programs – great if you use them all the time and are designing complex plastic mouldings or assemblies or want to produce presentations. I spent a couple of weeks learning Solidworks a few years back and found, yes it can produce great models but if I want to get something done quickly I always go back to the 2D program and I don't forget how to use it!

                              Russell.

                              #87762
                              EtheAv8r
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                                @etheav8r

                                With this Viacad i have drawn a part in 2D as an exersise ( the ubiquitous conrod) and then switch to 3D and simply extrude it to 3D and each section can be manged separately, and if you change or modify the item in the 3D view then the 2D drawing is automatically changed appropriately.

                                I definitly think I will commit……… Also it is available, with expert support, from a local distributor in Cambridge, it is slightly more expensive than buying direct from the USA (the dreaded VAT) but I prefer to support a UK business, especially when local to me, and more so in the current economic climate.

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