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    Dr_GMJN
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      @dr_gmjn

      All, I'm looking for a small dead-blow hammer for tapping work down into my milling vice. It's an SX2P with a small vice, so I want something small enough to tap down pieces up to a couple of inches wide.

      Any recommendations? Thanks.

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      Dr_GMJN
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        @dr_gmjn
        #635477
        Nick Wheeler
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          @nickwheeler

          Why is a dead blow hammer needed for that job?

          It's not a big mill, so the parts are going to be pretty small too. I've been known to use the hammer end of a large screwdriver….

          #635479
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            Make one ? Pour lead into a vessel to cast a head. Machine from copper or nylon bar. Just a thought. Small THOR hammers are available with hide/copper faces for about £10. Noel.

            Edited By noel shelley on 01/03/2023 11:54:01

            #635482
            Brian Wood
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              @brianwood45127

              Block of wood?

              Brian

              #635489
              DMB
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                @dmb

                I have a small Thor copper hammer, works well for that purpose. As Brian just said, block of wood. When I was using machines in a factory many years ago, I had a large block of copper for that use. Think it was about 2 ins. sq. x about 4 ins. long with a mass of burrs on each end.

                John

                #635496
                Tony Pratt 1
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                  @tonypratt1

                  During my Toolmaking career I mainly used a piece of roughly 11/4" diameter x 6" long copper for knocking down aided by a block of Tufnol to protect the work as required. Both now still in use in my garage workshop.

                  Tony

                  #635498
                  Speedy Builder5
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                    @speedybuilder5

                    lookup Nylon Hammer on any of the internet sites.

                    #635501
                    duncan webster 1
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                      @duncanwebster1

                      I use a lead fishing weight. When it gets too distorted I'll melt and tecast

                      #635517
                      Dr_GMJN
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                        @dr_gmjn

                        I've got a small copper/hide hammer, but assumed that for tapping parts into the vice, a dead-blow hammer might be better. Just from what I've seen recently on YouTube videos on model engineering (especially squaring / seating blocks for further machining).

                        #635526
                        Dave Halford
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                          @davehalford22513

                          A hide hammer is pretty dead, as in no bounce nor dents. That said look-at-me-tube would know best.

                          #635528
                          ega
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                            @ega

                            I can see why a no-bounce hammer might be better. If the work is on parallels, however, it should be possible to check that they are trapped – QED.

                            #635541
                            Dr_GMJN
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                              @dr_gmjn
                              Posted by ega on 01/03/2023 14:44:11:

                              I can see why a no-bounce hammer might be better. If the work is on parallels, however, it should be possible to check that they are trapped – QED.

                              I sometimes find that even a tap to seat on parallels results in one or the other being loose. It's often the case where I'm going back and forth with ever lighter taps to get things seated firmly. I'd assumed that some bounce caused by the rebound of the part from the parallel might be eliminated with a dead-blow hammer.

                              #635543
                              Georgineer
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                                @georgineer

                                How many of the posters who have suggested nylon hammers, screwdrivers, lumps of lead, politicians' noddles and so on have actually twigged that none of these is actually a dead-blow device?

                                How many know but have chosen to ignore the difference and thereby the OP's question?

                                How many of the readers who come here to learn will go away thinking that there is no difference?

                                I think we should be told.

                                George

                                #635549
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Georgineer on 01/03/2023 15:49:44:

                                  […]

                                  none of these is actually a dead-blow device

                                  […]

                                  .

                                  Quite so, George yes

                                  I had not contributed, but:

                                  I use a cast-Aluminium, Lead-shot filled, Nylon-faced hammer.

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #635550
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    For small work you can get dead blow drifts, basically a dead blow hammer without a handle and in smaller weights.

                                    Not tried one as a Thor copper/hide jobbie has always worked for me on the odd occasions that I bother to knock the work down. Most of the time I don't bother but the engines all seem to run OK.

                                    The lump of lead or other softer metal and the copper/hide hammers have been used for years and obviously work, the plastic lead shot dead blow hammers are just something new.

                                    #635553
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by JasonB on 01/03/2023 16:41:57:

                                      […]

                                      the plastic lead shot dead blow hammers are just something new.

                                      .

                                      dont know

                                      I’ve had mine for at least forty years … and it’s a cheap clone of the original

                                      MichaelG.

                                      .

                                      Refhttps://www.thorhammer.com/thor-history/

                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/03/2023 16:59:22

                                      #635554
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        But you just said yours was aluminium

                                        #635555
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133
                                          Posted by JasonB on 01/03/2023 16:57:55:

                                          But you just said yours was aluminium

                                          Aluminium with Nylon faces

                                          #635557
                                          Dr_GMJN
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                                            @dr_gmjn

                                            It’s the lead shot type that I assume is a dead-blow hammer, with reduced rebound. That’s what I want advice on. Thanks.

                                            #635561
                                            Michael Gilligan
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                                              @michaelgilligan61133
                                              Posted by Dr_GMJN on 01/03/2023 17:05:53:

                                              It’s the lead shot type that I assume is a dead-blow hammer, with reduced rebound. That’s what I want advice on. Thanks.

                                              .

                                              **LINK**

                                              https://www.thorhammer.com/product/20-1010/

                                              … or if you need something smaller, make your own

                                              MichaelG.

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                                              Refhttps://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=pn%3DGB1238652A

                                              .

                                              ERRATUM : I have just discovered that Thor uses Steel Shot

                                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 01/03/2023 17:39:09

                                              #635563
                                              not done it yet
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                                                @notdoneityet

                                                I suspect it is not only the item used to ‘tap-down’ for seating on parallels that causes issues. Many expect the parts to be already parallel between the vise jaws and that the vise jaws are perfectly parallel, too. Often neither one nor both may conform.

                                                Omitting a soft insert between the movable jaw and the work may well cause a problem, particularly if the tapping merely lowers the movable jaw – which then moves up again on tightening.🙂

                                                I use what is at hand. I did buy a couple of dead-blow hammers a couple years ago – by one of the really cheap chinese suppliers – and often use one of them- but not always. The Thor leather/white metal mallets likely get most use.

                                                #635568
                                                William Chitham
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                                                  @williamchitham75949
                                                  Posted by not done it yet on 01/03/2023 17:29:43:

                                                  I suspect it is not only the item used to ‘tap-down’ for seating on parallels that causes issues.

                                                  Agreed. Something I have found in my limited experience is that the vice needs to be pretty tight before you start tapping to prevent "bouncing".

                                                  William.

                                                  #635571
                                                  Nick Wheeler
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                                                    @nickwheeler
                                                    Posted by Georgineer on 01/03/2023 15:49:44:

                                                    How many of the posters who have suggested nylon hammers, screwdrivers, lumps of lead, politicians' noddles and so on have actually twigged that none of these is actually a dead-blow device?

                                                    How many know but have chosen to ignore the difference and thereby the OP's question?

                                                    How many of the readers who come here to learn will go away thinking that there is no difference?

                                                    I think we should be told.

                                                    Look again; the first answer(mine) asked why a dead blow hammer is 'necessary' for this job.

                                                    #635600
                                                    Pete.
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                                                      @pete-2

                                                      Narex make the most suitable hammers for machine use imo, they are fully plastic so won't damage the machine in any way, are dead blow and have replacement faces available.

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