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  • #592089
    YouraT
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      @yourat

      Hi all.

      Needing a larger (10mm) taper pin reamer, I bought one from a supplier I've previously used, and who have thus far always supplied decent kit.

      It rubs, rather than cuts.

      Looking at the grind on the flutes, there is a flat that runs the entire length of each (straight) flute which is pretty well parallel to the cutting diameter. Looking at all my other taper pin reamers (all Dormer) this flat is absent.

      The new reamer:

      bad reamer.jpg

      an older Dormer reamer:

      good reamer.jpg

      I also have some spiral flute reamers (not taper), and they all have this 'leading edge flat' geometry, but with the spiral shape, this falls away from the cutting edge and they perform just fine.

      I've already sent one back for this problem, and replacement came performing just as badly – I'm taking it up with the supplier again, but what should I expect to see at the leading edge?

      Cheers,

      Y.

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      #20660
      YouraT
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        @yourat
        #592100
        Bazyle
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          @bazyle

          Does the geometry make it look like they took a parallel reamer and tried to regrind it to have a taper? Or just someone who had no idea how to set up the grinder for tapers. Probably who batch will be wrong, and now spread over 1000 vendors in 3 continents.

          #592118
          YouraT
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            @yourat
            Posted by Bazyle on 30/03/2022 19:32:13:

            Does the geometry make it look like they took a parallel reamer and tried to regrind it to have a taper? Or just someone who had no idea how to set up the grinder for tapers. Probably who batch will be wrong, and now spread over 1000 vendors in 3 continents.

            Bazyle,

            No – other than that feature, it looks as I would expect – the root at the bottom of the flutes tapers along with the flutes, so I think this was meant to be a taper reamer from the start.

            I'll try to talk to the supplier tomorrow rather than just do email ping-pong….

            #592487
            John Reese
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              @johnreese12848

              It is possible that the grind was to provide both primary and secondary relief angles. On your reamer the primary relief was ground wrong.

              #592532
              not done it yet
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                @notdoneityet

                May not be, on this occasion, but the supplier reminds me of bang good (a supplier I have had trouble with previously).

                Selling sub-standard (or even rejects?) to unsuspecting purchasers is not good. I would be very careful, if buying anything from ‘cheap’ far-eastern suppliers, if it was a critical item.

                #592541
                jimmy b
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                  @jimmyb

                  If its no good just return it. All the sellers stock could be the same, so probably a good idea to go elsewhere on this occasion.

                  The reamer in question does look wrong to me.

                  Not sure why NDIY is still Banging the Nanggood drum…..

                  Jim

                  #592548
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet

                    Not sure why NDIY is still Banging the Nanggood drum…..

                    Because it is still relevant? There are a lot of readers who think that a good review, from a ‘paid’ reviewer, is completely honest, truthful and comprehensively accurate. I don’t believe all they say, any more than I believe what car journalists write about cars that they get ‘jollies’ for reporting on them (favourably). I am a realist, not like a lot of readers.

                    You may think that the Sun shines from their orifice, but I don’t. They cheated me and thoroughly deserve to get some truthful feedback to potentially protect other potential purchasers. If they receive carp, they only have themselves to chastise. ‘Does a leopard change its spots’ – I doubt it.

                    #592553
                    Mark Rand
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                      @markrand96270

                      Given that it's a taper pin reamer and its exact diameter is not as ctitical as a parallel reamer and given that it's a reasonably large one, I'd 'blue' the edge up with a mrker pen and then stone the flutes until the 'blue' almost disappears.

                      Job done.

                      #592557
                      bernard towers
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                        @bernardtowers37738

                        Why would you do that, its a new tool it should work!!

                        #592561
                        Martin Connelly
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                          @martinconnelly55370

                          The flat you are looking at is called a margin and it should be 0.2mm to 0.4mm. Larger than this is probably too much and will increase the force needed to make it cut easily.

                          Martin C

                          #592584
                          old mart
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                            @oldmart

                            I would send it back for a replacement, and get a refund if that was also unusable.

                            #592706
                            YouraT
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                              @yourat

                              Thanks for ask the comments and suggestions.

                              The supplier has agreed to a refund, including postage, so that's all good. Interestingly they say that they have sold around a dozen of that exact item and in the only one to have complained…

                              I've now found a NOS Dormer reamer, which I've bought and I'm sure will be just fine.

                              #592707
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                I can think of a reason why that reamer did not cut. The managing director brings visitors to see the production line and cannot resist picking out one of the products to show them. Then he puts it carefully back in the wrong box along with the finished ones, thereby missing the final stage.

                                #592718
                                Baz
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                                  @baz89810

                                  Old mart that exact thing used to happen where I worked, we tried politely to explain to management that if someone wanted to handle a component they should ask the operator, the reply was basically, management don’t ask mere operators for anything, didn’t really matter though, we weren’t making anything important, only parts for aircraft engines.

                                  #592719
                                  jimmy b
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                                    @jimmyb
                                    Posted by old mart on 03/04/2022 14:26:02:

                                    I can think of a reason why that reamer did not cut. The managing director brings visitors to see the production line and cannot resist picking out one of the products to show them. Then he puts it carefully back in the wrong box along with the finished ones, thereby missing the final stage.

                                    Had this happen to me a few times!

                                    Jim

                                    #592751
                                    Bazyle
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                                      @bazyle

                                      If the manufacturer had an inspection department how would this be measured? Perhaps as in the old days though as there is probably a million pound digital machine that does it automatically in a German factory nowadays.

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