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A sticky Mercer Gauge

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18 March 2022 at 12:06 #590440
Greensands
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Can anyone suggest a way of possibly relieving the stickiness of a small Mercer gauge as shown in the photo. The gauge shows every sign of being otherwise in very good condition and in the past I have had the back off and (possibly inadvisably) tried putting a small drop of a light machine oil on the moving spindle but all to no avail. Any suugestions to help solve the problem would be much appreciated
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18 March 2022 at 12:06 #20650
Greensands
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18 March 2022 at 12:09 #590441
Jon Lawes
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Cleaning off the old oil before adding more is probably the key. I sparingly use lighter fluid, but I don't know what an actual horologist would use.
18 March 2022 at 12:15 #590445
Hopper
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@hopper
Wrong move. First move is a few drops of petrol on the plunger to dissolve old oil there. As recommended by an old Mitutoyo service sheet (pre-WHS days!). They recommend no oil on the plunger and make no mention of putting any inside. If anything it would be some kind of non-gumming clock oil I should imagine .

Long Island Indicator Service have a good website with useful info about dealing with dial indictors. LINK
18 March 2022 at 12:16 #590446
peak4
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@peak4
I've picked up several sticky ones over the years, and thus far, all have freed up with lighter fuel to wash out the gunge.
A tiny drop of thin non-drying oil to the rack inside, and then cleaning off even that from the plunger, do it doesn't attract dust in my mixed workshop.
I've use horologists oil, but also Balistol Universal Oil, which works well for all sorts of jobs.
https://ballistol.co.uk

Bill
18 March 2022 at 12:27 #590447
Pete Rimmer
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I have a similar one with the same problem. Had it apart several times and it always goes sticky again. Now I just give it a squirt of brake cleaner each time I need to use it.
18 March 2022 at 12:31 #590448
Michael Gilligan
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Take the back off and have a look inside

Some models are prone to corrosion, and that may inform your decision about what to do with it.

MichaelG.
18 March 2022 at 12:36 #590450
Michael Gilligan
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See this, from 2015 : **LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=108056

MichaelG.
18 March 2022 at 13:41 #590462
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@mgnbuk
Never had much luck with Mercer dial guages at my last employment – they all seemed to fail that way, so I would suggest not wasting your time and bin it.

Webought the guages new & independantly certified by a local specialist test company, as they were used for final acceptance of alignments on rebuilt CNC machines. The guages were treated carefully and stored in the original packaging between uses but, almost inevtiably, the next time they were brought out the plunger would be rough & sticking.

We gave up on Mercer guages eventually after this had happened several times & went to Mitutoyo guages. Never had to replace one of those.

From (rather distant now) memory, I think it was the plunger racks that were the problem – very, very fine teeth.

Nigel B.
18 March 2022 at 14:04 #590464
Greensands
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It would appear that the Mercer was not a particularly good buy then? (Must admit that it came from a ME exhibition some time in the pre Covid past)
18 March 2022 at 17:29 #590491
David-Clark 1
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This is how I did it for over 5 years, not Mercer but Batty, Maintained probably a dozen of these for 5 years.

Squirt lighter fuel down the plunger hole and push plunger in and let it come out under spring pressure.

Repeat if necessary.

Never oiled them ever.
18 March 2022 at 17:30 #590492
David-Clark 1
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Watching, forgot to tick box.
18 March 2022 at 17:56 #590497
Greensands
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Hi all – I have now had the back off the gauge and gave the spindle a clean using IPA and a cotton bud. Overall impressions are is that all looks to be in remarkably good order and quite clean. First thoughts are that it might a weak spring problem as in mid travel the gauge is very responsive but then fails to return to the end of its travel. Replacing the spring would appear to be a simple job but where would it be possible to obtain a suitable replacement? Thanks for all the help and suggestions being provided.
18 March 2022 at 18:25 #590506
Michael Gilligan
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That’s clearly in ‘orders of magnitude’ better condition than mine was

Personally, I would prefer to find the underlying fault, not disguise it by fitting a stronger spring: But if that’s what you decide to do, then shortening the existing spring by one coil would probably do the trick.

MichaelG.
18 March 2022 at 21:24 #590525
Roger Best
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Blondihacks 14 minute tutorial
18 March 2022 at 21:37 #590526
old mart
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@oldmart
I had never thought of using IPA for cleaning things other than my tonsils.
19 March 2022 at 09:08 #590568
Circlip
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@circlip
If you go to the 'Madmodder' site, :-MadModder – Index there are various tutorials for servicing many different types of dial indicators. 'Search' works well.

Regards Ian
19 March 2022 at 10:26 #590583
Alan Johnson 7
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Posted by old mart on 18/03/2022 21:37:48:

I had never thought of using IPA for cleaning things other than my tonsils.

IPA = Indian Pale Ale……

Now I am confused!!!!
19 March 2022 at 12:24 #590598
Robert Butler
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India Pale Ale

Robert Butler
19 March 2022 at 17:03 #590648
Mark Rand
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@markrand96270
Or Isopropyl alcohol AKA propan-2-ol
20 March 2022 at 17:54 #590823
Greensands
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@greensands
Hi All -Progress (or lack of) dismantling the Mercer gauge. I have removed the top plate and cleaned all the moving parts including the rack and pinion with very little evidence of crud and so now suspect binding of the spindle in the gauge body. Next problem is how to remove the spindle from the body which involves removing the hairspring pinion wheel in order to clear it from the rack but I cannot see how to do this. Second problem is how to remove the side spring retaining arm from the spindle in order to be able to withdraw spindle from the body. Blondihacks had to resort to a massive pair of pliers to withdraw the pin. Is the pin a screw fit or a press fit? Any hints and tips would be most welcomed.
20 March 2022 at 18:48 #590828
peak4
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@peak4
Looking at your photo, the bottom blackened screw seems to be in a slot, and maybe even the top left hand one.
Does the whole of the white plate move slightly to adjust the engagement between rack and pinion?
I have one which was sticky when it came to me; it looked like it had taken a knock, such that the rack and pinion were too heavily engaged and thus jamming,

Bill
27 March 2022 at 17:16 #591739
Greensands
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Is there anyone out there who could possibly help me to make some further progress on how to dismantle the gauge as recorded in the photo posted on the the 18/03.. My efforts have come to a halt.
27 March 2022 at 18:33 #591745
Michael Gilligan
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Sorry, I’ve never seen that exact model before, but : from your photos it looks like the hairspring is retained by a brass taper-pin … and the coil-spring is [hopefully] screwed in place.

MichaelG.
27 March 2022 at 19:47 #591758
Roy Vaughn
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I don't know whether he covers this exact topic, but Doubleboost on YouTube has a series called Dti Care and Repair with Bob which might be of help.
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