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    Martin King 2
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      @martinking2

      Hi All,

      Just got this lovely machine at auction, could not believe that we were the only bidder. Very heavy item at 70cm tall but complete and undamaged.

      leather mangle.jpg

      Not sure of its exact use but saddlery comes to mind, perhaps rolling the leather wet to set into the correct curvature when dry?

      All thoughts welcome.

      Regards, Martin

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      #20576
      Martin King 2
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        @martinking2
        #580856
        Martin King 2
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          @martinking2

          Bump

          #580879
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            Sorry, Martin … I still don’t know

            One thought though : If you don’t know its function; what makes you assume that it is a ‘Leather Rolling Machine’

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            MichaelG.’

            #580884
            Martin King 2
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              @martinking2

              Hi Michael,

              the same German company made a machine brand called Rodi which was a leather roller for thin sections, also the auction description was leather machine, though that may not be a good thing to go by!

              I am comfortable with it being that but have no idea of how it would be used in anger so to speak. Lots of heavier leather work is done wet and the work takes a ‘set’ wHen it dries out.

              will post the name in a moment.

              cheers Martin

              #580885
              Martin King 2
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                @martinking2

                Auction description

                An antique cobblers leather roller mangle by Gustav Rafflenbeul Schwelm, W 53cm x H 70cm x D 48cm.

                #580887
                ega
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                  @ega
                  Posted by Martin King 2 on 17/01/2022 16:47:51:…Lots of heavier leather work is done wet and the work takes a ‘set’ wHen it dries out.

                  eg Brooks leather bicycle saddles.

                  #580893
                  Bizibilder
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                    @bizibilder

                    Googling Shoemakers leather rolling machine threw up quite a few hits.

                    #581381
                    Martin King 2
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                      @martinking2

                      Hi All,

                      just stripped this down completely and sent the rollers and some other parts to be polished. Found some remnants of the original green finish so will match that colour for the restoration.

                      Fortunately all the pins securing the gears etc all came out easily and there are no damaged parts. Will need me to turn up a new handle in greenheart that I have loads of.

                      Chees, Martin

                      #581399
                      Bo’sun
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                        @bosun58570

                        Hello Martin,

                        Hope the restoration goes well. Watch working with Greenheart though, I'm told slinters can easily go septic.

                        #582368
                        Martin King 2
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                          @martinking2

                          Hi All,

                          Here are some pics of the restored machine, now ready to go.

                          Quite enjoyable to do but the parts were very heavy.

                          rollpress 1.jpg

                          rollpress 2.jpg

                          rollpress 10.jpg

                          rollpress 5.jpgrollpress 7.jpg

                          Cheers, Martin

                          #582382
                          Nicholas Farr
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                            @nicholasfarr14254

                            Hi Martin, well that's scrubbed up very nicely. yes

                            Regards Nick.

                            #582387
                            Frances IoM
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                              @francesiom58905

                              it looks very pretty but who buys such things ? as it looks to be a very specialised market.

                              #582393
                              Andrew Tinsley
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                                @andrewtinsley63637

                                Well Martin bought it and if I had been at the auction I may well have bid.

                                Andrew.

                                P.S. In my neck of the woods, there are quite a few saddlers. They may have been interested too.

                                #582409
                                Martin King 2
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                                  @martinking2

                                  We both work on the general basis of “if we like it, perhaps someone else will too”

                                  We really enjoy finding nice odd items and bringing them back to life, the fact that they often make a it of profit helps too!

                                  often things like this just end up at the scrapyard which I think is a great shame.

                                  Now listed so we will wait and see….

                                  Cheers, Martin

                                  #752979
                                  hanspeter
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                                    @hanspeter

                                    Hi Martin, if you don’t know by now the use of this machine, I could give you a explanation. I just sold a machine like that, different model.

                                     

                                    Greetings, HP

                                    #753050
                                    Bo’sun
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                                      @bosun58570

                                      Martin.  A lovely restoration and a nice brass handle, although maybe a little out of character.  Hope I didn’t put you off with my comment about greenheart.

                                      #753068
                                      duncan webster 1
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                                        @duncanwebster1

                                        Slight digression: chap I knew had a company making leather seals. Slitting leather into thinner sheets is called ‘skiving’, so he employed several skivers. I wonder how it came to be associated with being lazy

                                        #753146
                                        ChrisLH
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                                          @chrislh

                                          Interesting machine and beautiful restoration but I’d really like to know how the links/bellcranks apply pressure and why gears are needed ?

                                          #753198
                                          david bennett 8
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                                            @davidbennett8

                                            I had one of these ,but sold it years ago. Never knew its use, but leather roller makes sense. I am pretty sure the rollers were quite heavily textured for grip (?) so I think polishing them was a mistake.

                                             

                                            #753232
                                            Bo’sun
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                                              @bosun58570

                                              Mmm….  The idea of rolling wet leather and allowing it to set sounds plausible.  But surely, once the leather has been rolled, there is nothing to support the rolled form while it dries?  Also, it would be limited to just one form/radius.  I rather favour the OP’s auction description of a roller used by Cobblers.  It looks a little small for saddlery.  A classic example of vintage engineering, and it looks good too.

                                              #753259
                                              hanspeter
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                                                @hanspeter

                                                Hi all, regarding the mentioned leather rolling machine.

                                                This is a machine used by shoemakers. Traditionally the veg tan leather for the insoles(not a slip-in insole, but the actual foundation of the shoe, as the uppers were sewn to this insole) and the outsoles were soaked in water, then wrapped in cloth/paper allowing the moisture to penetrate the leather but absorbing all excess. Once the leather was damp but not soggy, maybe next day, the pieces of leather would be hammered on a stone slab, starting from the centre and working your way to the edges. Hence the wide face of the shoe hammer. This would compress but more importantly pre stretch the fibres. While still damp, the insole would be nailed to the last, a few nails in the middle and nails all around the edge of the last. Now the leather was allowed to dry, the outer ring of nails preventing the insole from shrinking together again. This process was important  to prevent premature stretching out of shape of the shoe once the shoe was worn. The same was done with the outsole, except this time it was sewn to the welt while the leather was still damp. The above leather mangle is doing that job. The bottom concave brass roller turns faster than the convex steel roller at top. There is pressure on the leather and a certain amount of drag, which helps to stretch the leather. A 6 mm outsole has quite a bit of resistance. Yes, the rollers should be smooth.

                                                #753275
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                                  It will come as no surprise that I have been searching for the Patent

                                                  Sadly, neither of these is English, and nor do they feature the fancy rollers … but they surely get us in the right ball-park.

                                                  MichaelG.

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                                                  #753447
                                                  Alan Donovan
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                                                    @alandonovan54394

                                                    Hi Duncan

                                                    An explanation I had for ‘skiving’ meaning lazy, was that skiving (as you say the process of thinning leather) was a very easy task in the shoe making industry compared to the other tasks.  So as skivers had an easier day than the other workers, the name became associated with lazy people.

                                                    Alan

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