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Where can I buy an individual Starrett 167M-1/2 Radius Gauge, 0.5mm

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4 January 2022 at 18:02 #578471
John Smith 47
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Hello

Nice simple question: "Where in the UK can I buy a Starrett 167M-1/2 Radius Gauge, 0.5mm"

Constraints:
– Must be metric.
– No larger than 0.5mm
– Doesn't have to be the Starrett brand (e.g. Accusize, KRISTEEL Shinwa, is fine) but must be L-shaped (i.e. like the photo)
– Must be currently in stock and deliverable within 14 days
– Must be sold individually rather than part of a set (OR a total cost of less than £15)
– Does not need to be new

e.g.
==> Amazon are out of stock.
(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starrett-167M-1-0-5MM-Individual-Radius/dp/B000VDVOE2)

And I can't find any other UK-based merchants who sell them individually.

REQUEST: Please don't answer any other question!

With thanks

J
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4 January 2022 at 18:02 #20560
John Smith 47
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4 January 2022 at 18:26 #578477
HOWARDT
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Try H. Robert’s & Sons, Leicester. Quick look showed 0.02” orderable.
4 January 2022 at 18:44 #578485
John Smith 47
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Posted by HOWARDT on 04/01/2022 18:26:53:

Try H. Robert’s & Sons, Leicester. Quick look showed 0.02” orderable.

Thank you. They don't seem to be quoting a price but I have clicked on the Enquire button.

Cheers

J
4 January 2022 at 19:01 #578493
Emgee
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John

If you spot drill a 0.5mm hole into a piece of gauge plate it will provide a guide for you to machine part and finish to the hole by hand filing, you will only have to file a semi circle on the end.

For the 2 off 0.5mm external radius tool just drill the hole through the plate and machine or file the end off to mid circle.

Emgee

Edited By Emgee on 04/01/2022 19:02:16
4 January 2022 at 19:25 #578497
Emgee
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 04/01/2022 18:02:22:

Hello

Nice simple question: "Where in the UK can I buy a Starrett 167M-1/2 Radius Gauge, 0.5mm"

Constraints:
– Must be metric.
– No larger than 0.5mm
– Doesn't have to be the Starrett brand (e.g. Accusize, KRISTEEL Shinwa, is fine) but must be L-shaped (i.e. like the photo)
– Must be currently in stock and deliverable within 14 days
– Must be sold individually rather than part of a set (OR a total cost of less than £15)
– Does not need to be new

Hi John

I can make 1 of those for you but not at such a low price, if you want to make me a sensible £ offer please do so by PM.

Emgee
4 January 2022 at 20:52 #578514
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 04/01/2022 18:02:22:

Hello

Nice simple question: "Where in the UK can I buy a Starrett 167M-1/2 Radius Gauge, 0.5mm"

I haven’t bothered checking ‘delivery’ … but this would seem the obvious place to start,

**LINK**

https://www.starrett.co.uk/shop/precision/gauges/radiusgaugesets/?item_id=BU272

Would you ‘Adam & Eve’ it ?

MichaelG.
4 January 2022 at 21:15 #578519
Robert Butler
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Starrett, US of A $16, no doubt plus tax, duty and carriage.

Robert Butler
4 January 2022 at 22:18 #578525
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 04/01/2022 20:52:42:

Posted by John Smith 47 on 04/01/2022 18:02:22:

Hello

Nice simple question: "Where in the UK can I buy a Starrett 167M-1/2 Radius Gauge, 0.5mm"

I haven’t bothered checking ‘delivery’ … but this would seem the obvious place to start,

**LINK**

https://www.starrett.co.uk/shop/precision/gauges/radiusgaugesets/?item_id=BU272

Would you ‘Adam & Eve’ it ?

MichaelG.

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Just for clarity :

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MichaelG.
5 January 2022 at 07:40 #578542
JasonB
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Now doubt the £17.59 total with postage will get your find rejected Michael as it's over budget
5 January 2022 at 08:48 #578550
John Smith 47
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Posted by JasonB on 05/01/2022 07:40:54:

Now doubt the £17.59 total with postage will get your find rejected Michael as it's over budget

Good spot!

Hmmm… let's be honest that is eye-wateringly expensive for a small simple piece of metal, that probably took about 20 seconds to be laser cut out of a sheet of metal!

Was I mad to originally think that I might potentially get several parts – possibly even an entire set, (if second-hand) – for that that sum?

Worse it's a full £22.99 if I want it next day… !

(…which I rather do & which I normally get from the idealogically bankrupt Amazon)

OK, MAYBE! But first I'm gonna have to think about this! And have another look at eBay…

j

Edited By John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 08:49:01
5 January 2022 at 08:50 #578551
John Smith 47
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PS Do any of you nice folks happen to have a promo code for starrett.co.uk?
5 January 2022 at 09:03 #578557
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 08:48:34:

[…]

Hmmm… let's be honest that is eye-wateringly expensive for a small simple piece of metal, that probably took about 20 seconds to be laser cut out of a sheet of metal!

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Honestly … I give up !

Jason has already [on your other thread] done his promotion for ARC’s bargain-priced offering.

Buy those … use one of them

MichaelG.

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and, please … if you ever find the time and the necessary equipment: would you kindly post some detail images of the ARC product : I am very interested to know what can be made and sold for less than a pound a piece.

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Edit: __ Here’s a serious question, for anyone who actually uses laser cutting:

What size is the beam-spot ?

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 05/01/2022 09:26:19
5 January 2022 at 09:11 #578558
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 08:50:11:

PS Do any of you nice folks happen to have a promo code for starrett.co.uk?

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Perhaps you could negotiate a sponsorship deal, and get a freebie

Offer to show the world how good they are … by demonstrating their use in checking your pre-production items.

MichaelG.
5 January 2022 at 09:29 #578565
JasonB
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/01/2022 09:03:08:

Honestly … I give up !

Jason has already [on your other thread] done his promotion for ARC’s bargain-priced offering.

Buy those … use one of them

MichaelG.

Better to buy the imperial set and use the three smallest
5 January 2022 at 09:30 #578567
JasonB
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 08:48:34:

Hmmm… let's be honest that is eye-wateringly expensive for a small simple piece of metal, that probably took about 20 seconds to be laser cut out of a sheet of metal!

Your paying for all the time the inventor put into developing the prototype and the maker put into working out an economic way of making, they have to get their costs back somehow
5 January 2022 at 09:38 #578570
Nick Wheeler
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Posted by John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 08:48:34:

Posted by JasonB on 05/01/2022 07:40:54:

Now doubt the £17.59 total with postage will get your find rejected Michael as it's over budget

Good spot!

Hmmm… let's be honest that is eye-wateringly expensive for a small simple piece of metal, that probably took about 20 seconds to be laser cut out of a sheet of metal!

And like all small, simple, one operation parts, making them is cheap. But they don't just make one at a time, so you need to add up the material costs. Then there's quality control, stock control, handling, packaging, transport, selling on to at least one retailer etc, etc. They have to make a profit too. The real reason why that Starrett gauge is so expensive: you're buying it from a company that has been making quality stuff for 140years, so you can rely on it without having to spend any of your valuable time improving it.

How much do you expect your gadget to sell for when it's ready for sale?
5 January 2022 at 09:55 #578575
John Smith 47
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JasonB & MichaelG.

Yes the smallest 3 Imperial gauges would be usable [Aside: how irritating that the the metric range don't go smaller – GRRR]

But as I said in the other thread… [see https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=176298&p=5 **LINK** ]

…the crunch problem isn't just that £30.11 already blows my £15 budget out of the water, but on top of that, because ARC Eurotrade appears to be based on continental Europe, and since 01 Jan this year, this now means that we will be changed:

"On arrival of the parcel in your country, the postal service or courier will contact you to ask you to pay the import entry charge (usually between £6.00 to £15.00 equivalent in Euros), plus Duty (for goods above a certain value)… "

Plus distance of travel delays, plus customs delays…

For these reasons, already having been stung badly a couple of times, I no longer buy anything from Europe, EVER if there are any other alternatives.

Let's not get into politics, but Brexit is an extremely serious problem for certain activities.

JasonB – Yup, I'm right behind you about fair remuneration for innovators. [deep sigh!]

Nicholas – Yes I am more than happy to pay for a well-made, useful piece of kit, and happy to pay rather over the odds for it, if it is innovative as well. But with the greatest respect, please can we just discuss my simple original question at the top of this thread?

Conclusion:
Can anyone find something similar that (as per my original question) is UK-based?
I have looked quite hard but found nothing.

Edited By John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 10:02:48
5 January 2022 at 10:00 #578576
Tony Pratt 1
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I do look forward to reading these threads from the OP they are so entertaining.

Tony
5 January 2022 at 10:08 #578579
John C
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Quote: 'because ARC Eurotrade appears to be based on continental Europe'…

This Arc EuroTrade? The one in Leicester, UK?:

Arc Euro Trade Ltd.
A company registered in England and Wales
Company registration number 5060731

10 Archdale Street
Syston
Leicester, LE7 1NA

The text you quote re entry charges refers to Arc posting goods to outside the UK……..
5 January 2022 at 10:08 #578580
JasonB
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Oh Dear you have not found your way around yet another website, why not look at ARC's Address at the bottom of their home page or click the contact tab at the top they are closer than you think.
5 January 2022 at 10:12 #578581
John Smith 47
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Posted by John C on 05/01/2022 10:08:22:

Quote: 'because ARC Eurotrade appears to be based on continental Europe'…

This Arc EuroTrade? The one in Leicester, UK?:

Arc Euro Trade Ltd.
A company registered in England and Wales
Company registration number 5060731

10 Archdale Street
Syston
Leicester, LE7 1NA

The text you quote re entry charges refers to Arc posting goods to outside the UK……..

OK that IS embarrassing. I miss-read the direction of travel in their 01Jan message.
I am new to this game. Don't shoot me.

Edited By John Smith 47 on 05/01/2022 10:28:10
5 January 2022 at 10:27 #578586
John Smith 47
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Back to the question.

I've thought about this and I'm not sure I'm ready to pay £30 for something that will be slightly irritating for the rest of time because it isn't metric.

Also, having never used them before, it may be that none of them turn out to be all that useful in the quite way I had anticipated. So, with the greatest respect, as per my original question I think I want to start with just buying
– just ONE gauge,
– metric,
– 0.5mm or less
– sub £15….

[Explanation: I only want it for checking the circularity of my fillets, as I now have that Insize "Digital Chamfer Gage", in my hands to measure sizes. ]
5 January 2022 at 10:32 #578588
SillyOldDuffer
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As an aside, I wondered what differences there might be between the Starrett gauge and the ArcEuro offerings.

This ArcEuro example is a tidied up stamping I think, probably made from an ordinary carbon tool-steel (hard but not rust-proof.)

The minimum radius is 1mm and there's only one form per gauge. The tool isn't particularly robust, and the radii might not be particularly accurate. (No surprise if the 7mm male leaf didn't exactly match the 7mm female leaf at all points.)

In contrast, the Starratt gauge is much more solid, goes down below R1.0mm and each has 5 radii on a handy 'L'. Though Starratt don't specify it's accuracy, I suspect the gauge is precision ground: the radii are all very similar, the edges are reliably straight, and the right angles are gauge close to 90°. I expect it's made of the hard long-lasting stainless steel used to make knives, and would resist wear and corrosion.

Of the two, the ArcEuro is exactly the sort of 'good enough' tool I'd buy if I needed a radius gauge for ordinary purposes. I'd need a special reason to cough up for a Starrett, but wouldn't hesitate to find the money it was really required.

Dave
5 January 2022 at 10:35 #578590
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Nicholas Wheeler 1 on 05/01/2022 09:38:04:

[…]

The real reason why that Starrett gauge is so expensive: you're buying it from a company that has been making quality stuff for 140years, so you can rely on it without having to spend any of your valuable time improving it.

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… and if I needed one, I would consider the expense trivial

So … it’s expensive but reasonably-priced

[ what a lovely language we are blessed-with ]

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