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  • #555665
    Bev Archer
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      @bevarcher94647

      Can anybody tell me how to read this micrometer?

      It's made by Hahn & Kolb and has Nr.1731 stamped on it plus Messbereich. 10-20 (measuring range). My main problem is with the spring loaded plunger, with the graduations marked on it, which doesn't seem to connect to the moving spindle.
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      #20393
      Bev Archer
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        @bevarcher94647

        How to read

        #555936
        Oily Rag
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          @oilyrag

          The only time I have seen something similar to this was for a line boring bar setting micrometer. The angled rest was set to the bar radius, the readout was hence then converted from a true diameter reading, to a radius reading but this was then converted to a 'cut' diameter reading. That's why I believe the setting tool in the case is a bar rather than the more normal length gauge. From memory they had a very limited measurement range. Used with 'Microbore' tooling generally for very accurate line boring of camshaft and crankshaft bearings.

          The one I saw was not made by Hahn & Kolb though; my recollection was that it was possibly a Wohlhaupter.

          Martin

          #556008
          Bev Archer
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            @bevarcher94647

            Thanks for that Martin. TheThe setting tool is in fact a hollow bar measuring 15.00mm diam. This instrument was part of a consignment of tools that I inherited from my late cousin who was a keen model engineer and an inveterate collector of tools , new and old. The word magpie comes to mind. I can't think that I would have any use for it so will probably Freecycle it along with other unwanted items.

            Bev

            #556078
            old mart
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              @oldmart

              I looked on the H & K website, but unfortunately there is nothing listed and no sign of any of their legacy tools. If you like, I could post a link on an American website that I am a member of to spread the search wider.

              #556080
              Oily Rag
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                @oilyrag

                H & K were the UK agents for Wohlhaupter if I recall correctly. Now a shadow of their former glory being no less than a logistics company I believe. They were based at Rugby and a lot of there 'goodies' were supplied to the BTH (latterly AEI but again now a multitude of car exhaust and tyre centres plus innumerable Tanning Studio's ) works there manufacturing turbines for power stations.

                Bev – A bit of a background of where your cousin may have picked up such a tool may be helpful, where did he live? what major industries were in his area? Could be a start to finding where it may have come from. Are there any other markings on it? which could give a clue to where it was used (R or RR usually indicates Rolls Royce for instance, AS = Armstrong Siddeley, CT = Courtaulds Textile, etc,. )

                Martin

                #556082
                Bev Archer
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                  @bevarcher94647

                  Its past my bedtime now but I'll answer these tomorrow. Us octagenarians need our kipsmiley

                  #556131
                  Bev Archer
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                    @bevarcher94647

                    old mart: Thanks for the offer, any source of info is welcome.

                    Martin: As you can see it bears a "cast in" HuK, Stuttgart logo, the stamped letters D.R.P. and a stamped triangle ( the letters under the J are WECO. Perhaps you can decypher.

                    My cousin worked for a company producing coatings for wood furniture, based in Salford. He travelled as a techniclly rep. nationally and abroad. He could have picked this item up anywhere.

                    Bev

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                    #556209
                    Oily Rag
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                      @oilyrag

                      Well that's got me flumuxed! DRP maybe the clue to where it was used and I would hazard a guess that the D stands for 'Deutcher' as in Germany. Over to any other suggestions from forum members.

                      A very nice instrument in beautiful condition may I say. Your late cousin was a very astute 'magpie' !

                      Martin

                      #556225
                      Tim G
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                        @timg27464

                        My money's on this being a peculiar indicating mic.

                        The features that it has in common with regular ones is the angled rod for limiting how far you can shove each part in the throat of it, the spring loaded measuring element and the +/- scale that seems to be independent of the main scale.

                        Bev: Does anything move up and down the scale when you press the plunger?

                        #556235
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          I suspect this is an updated rendering of the J WECO mark: **LINK**

                          https://www.discogs.com/label/1400961-J-Weco

                          … and it appears that Wizemann & Co know a thing or two about piston pins:

                          https://patents.google.com/patent/US5653204

                          Mmm …

                          MichaelG.

                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/07/2021 07:29:38

                          #556250
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133

                            Apologies … Not quite sure what happened there ^^^

                            Google ‘helpfully’ provided the URL for the referring page instead of the one I wanted to quote dont know

                            [ Wizemann’s patent is ‘cited’ in that one ]

                            .

                            Try this: **LINK**

                            https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=4005686A&KC=A&FT=D

                            MichaelG.

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/07/2021 09:07:59

                            #556272
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              DRP is the equivalent of the UK "Patent" mark, rather than a manufacturer.

                              Cannot offer anything else useful, other than to say that the third anvil suggests use to measure round objects / and as said to set tools for boring.

                              Howard

                              #556277
                              Bev Archer
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                                @bevarcher94647

                                First off my apologies but I have been offline due a lightning strike taking out our broadband yesterday. Openreach have just finished fixing it.

                                Martin: I'm not sure about the "astute" bit – there's a hell of a lot of dross that I'm trying to sort through!

                                Tim G: the scale is fixed to, and moves with, the plunger. I made a small video but can't see how to attach it to my post.

                                MichaelG: Thanks for the info but I'm not sure what the spacenet link is telling me about this instrument.

                                Howard: Thanks for your info. I can't see it as anything other than a "go/no go" gauge.

                                Anybody got any links to a German forum that may be able to shed some light (I'm grasping at straws here)

                                #556296
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Bev Archer on 29/07/2021 12:46:24:

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                                  MichaelG: Thanks for the info but I'm not sure what the spacenet link is telling me about this instrument.

                                   

                                  .

                                  Assuming that you mean espacenet … the link is to a Patent in the name of the company whose J WECO logo is stamped on the instrument … the fact that their patent is for a rather special piston pin led me to infer that they might have an interest in accurately checking the size of such items.

                                  MichaelG.

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                                  P.S. __ Could you please check your Personal Messages, next time you are logged-on here

                                   

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/07/2021 15:30:50

                                  #559284
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                    Having relieved Bev of his micrometer … I have removed the barrel for investigation

                                    The knurled thimble moves things bodily within the confines of this flat:

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                                    and the sprung scale at t'other end looks like this:

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                                    There is [as Bev has already noted] no apparent connection between this and the anvil dont know

                                    I suspect that things in the anvil area are gummed-up with hardened grease.

                                    … We shall see

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #559285
                                    Martin King 2
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                                      @martinking2

                                      Michael G,

                                      Seems to be your week for interesting items in need of TLC! wink

                                      Good luck with this one, lovely instrument.

                                      Martin

                                      #559356
                                      Michael Gilligan
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                                        @michaelgilligan61133

                                        A quick update :

                                        Predictably enough, the dark spot in the screw-thread was grease, concealing a slotted screw.

                                        … it appears to be very tight, so I am leaving it be for a while.

                                        MichaelG.

                                        #559432
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133
                                          Posted by Howard Lewis on 29/07/2021 12:03:04:

                                          DRP is the equivalent of the UK "Patent" mark, rather than a manufacturer.

                                          .

                                          Which leads me to wonder … can this instrument really be that old ?

                                          Ref. **LINK** https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/306106

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #559454
                                          peak4
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                                            @peak4
                                            #559457
                                            Michael Gilligan
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                                              @michaelgilligan61133

                                              Excellent … Thanks Bill

                                              MichaelG.

                                              #575471
                                              Kristof Lemp
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                                                @kristoflemp15156

                                                Hey, I just finished restoring a similar Jsameter and this thread helped a lot with finding additional information so I just wanted to share what I found out.

                                                The Jsameter is an adjustable snap gauge, how it works: Depress the plunger to retract the anvil, insert the part and let go of the plunger – the springs can only push the anvil forward until it touches the part and the plunger stops and shows a reading on the scale:

                                                The mechanism is quite interesting, on the inside there is a very slightly tapered pin the length of the measuring range and connected to the plunger, it rides between 7 loose bearing balls so be aware when opening one of those up. The plunger is spring-loaded and pushes the bearing balls apart which rest inside a cone that is connected to the anvil – the balls move outward and push the cone forward – the anvil moves forward. Depressing the plunger lets the anvil move back/open up with the help of another spring.

                                                The end part of the barrel with the measuring line on it is pressed in, there are no screws and only two small ridges to pull on. I took out the scale and used parallel pliers on the flat part with the line to wiggle it out with the barrel in the vise with copper jaws. After getting it out I immediately spilled the bearing balls on the floor

                                                My idea of the origin of the name – there is a dial snap gauge called the Passameter, maybe this is the Passameter from J Weco – the Jsameter.

                                                I was also able to find a patent from Wizemann showing the exact instrument in the drawings, except in the patent it is a thread gauge. The patent is from 1939: espacenet: Patent CH236608A

                                                But the mechanism might be a little older, there is a patent from inventor Walter Wolff form 1931: espacenet: Patent DE601437C

                                                Kristof

                                                #575486
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                                  Wonderful … Thank You, Kristof yes

                                                  The one that is now mine has been resting in a box, inhaling the vapours of PlusGas, in the hope of freeing things as gently as possible.

                                                  I can proceed more confidently, thanks to your information.

                                                  MichaelG.

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