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    Pete Rimmer
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      @peterimmer30576

      I put an advert on homeworkshop for an optically flat mirror but as yet have had no responses to it. These things seem to be thin on the ground and very expensive, if you buy the mounted ones.

      I'm looking for 'thinking out of the box' suggestions as to where I can find a decent fractional-wave first surface mirror to use as a reflector for an autocollimator I am picking up shortly. I can make the sled to carry it and I'm confident that I can make a mount but I need to first buy the mirror itself.

      I know that there are a few members interested in telescopy and other optical interests so I'm hoping that someone can suggest a source for a reasonably priced mirror. It must be flat, and first-surface, and fractional waveength, so half-wave or better.

      I'm not a tightwad but I don't want to pay newor crazy ebay prices. Hopefully there will be someone here can point me in the direction of a decent mirror or a device or instrument where they re used so I can look for a surplus one.

      Pete,.

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      #20168
      Pete Rimmer
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        @peterimmer30576
        #529620
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Have a look at SurplusShed : **LINK**

          https://www.surplusshed.com/index.php

          Fred is a very honourable chap, and will accept an order cancellation if you don’t like his shipping rate.

          MichaelG.

          #529648
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            You need to post the maximum and minimum diameters that would be useful to you.

            #529679
            Pete Rimmer
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              @peterimmer30576

              Well Mart, they come in all sizes but realistically I am expecting to find one between 1" and 3" diameter.

              #529681
              John Haine
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                @johnhaine32865

                A surplus scanner?

                #529684
                DC31k
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                  @dc31k

                  There is a US site, firstsurfacemirror.com where they have an online calculator. I do not know if their products are suitable for your application so apologies in advance if this is misdirection.

                  #529691
                  Robert Atkinson 2
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                    @robertatkinson2

                    I have some first surface mirrors that should suit. send me a PM.

                    Robert G8RPI. (Cambridge UK)

                    #529712
                    Dave S
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                      @daves59043

                      You could try comar optics – comaroptics.com

                      They list 25mm dia 1/4 wavelength for what seems a reasonable £36.

                      We used them for custom optics when I worked in precision non contact metrology.

                      Dave

                      #529726
                      Clive Hartland
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                        @clivehartland94829

                        Pete, if you are going to mount a surface mirror it needs adjustment in x and y planes. The ones I used had three adjusters. The mirror mount was mounted on 1 ball bearing and the adjustment screws held the mount onto the ball. The best were made from Titanium, solid, about 15mm thick. Not glass but polished up very well and of course flat.

                        I surveyed a damaged ships engine bed after a con rod bent which from the survey ended up bent like a banana. I measured at 300mm intervals and drew it out and it had 230 Thou. droop at both ends and 180 thou in the middle.

                        #529740
                        Pete Rimmer
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                          @peterimmer30576

                          Thanks for the replies and suggestions. It's given me a lot to go on.

                          Comar optics do a 63mm 1/10 mirror which would be ideal except it's £120 plus vat. I was hoping to avoid quite that much expense but if I don't find a suitable mirror for less I will have to stump up the cash for that.

                          Pete.

                          #529750
                          Lainchy
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                            @lainchy

                            Have a look at Orion optics in Crewe.

                            #529752
                            Clive Hartland
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                              @clivehartland94829

                              Pete, could you give us what application/use you have in mid for the collimation work. I have some experience in collimation etc.

                              #529755
                              Pete Rimmer
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                                @peterimmer30576

                                Clive yes I am buying an autocollimator for checking surface plates and machine alignment. It will only be used over short distances so I can suffer a bit of error in the mirror. I've got a couple of plates that I need to renovate, one is quite bad the other quite good. I've got a lapping plate and I've made a repeat-o-meter and found this instrument, now I need a good mirror to use with it.

                                #529762
                                John Baron
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                                  @johnbaron31275
                                  Posted by Pete Rimmer on 23/02/2021 17:13:13:

                                  I put an advert on homeworkshop for an optically flat mirror but as yet have had no responses to it. These things seem to be thin on the ground and very expensive, if you buy the mounted ones.

                                  I'm looking for 'thinking out of the box' suggestions as to where I can find a decent fractional-wave first surface mirror to use as a reflector for an autocollimator I am picking up shortly. I can make the sled to carry it and I'm confident that I can make a mount but I need to first buy the mirror itself.

                                  I know that there are a few members interested in telescopy and other optical interests so I'm hoping that someone can suggest a source for a reasonably priced mirror. It must be flat, and first-surface, and fractional waveength, so half-wave or better.

                                  I'm not a tightwad but I don't want to pay newor crazy ebay prices. Hopefully there will be someone here can point me in the direction of a decent mirror or a device or instrument where they re used so I can look for a surplus one.

                                  Pete,.

                                  Hi Pete,

                                  There are usually a number of different size first surface mirrors in a laser printer head unit !

                                  #529765
                                  Martin Connelly
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                                    @martinconnelly55370

                                    The disk in a scrap hard drive may be useable. If you have one to take apart the disk is aluminium so easily cut. Don't know how well it will work for your application but it may be a suitable stop gap until you get exactly what you want.

                                    Martin C

                                    #529766
                                    Anthony Knights
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                                      @anthonyknights16741

                                      Sheer speculation-how flat is a hard drive disk?

                                      #529782
                                      Martin Kyte
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                                        @martinkyte99762

                                        I've used this lot in the past for telescope optics.

                                        **LINK**

                                        regards Martin

                                        #529793
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133

                                          I’m sure you know all this, and more, Pete … or you wouldn’t have started this thread

                                          But for general reference, there are some useful diagrams here: **LINK**

                                          https://www.taylor-hobson.com/-/media/ametektaylorhobson/files/product-downloads/autocollimators/autocollimators-en.pdf?dmc=1&la=en

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #529814
                                          noel shelley
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                                            @noelshelley55608

                                            Coventry gauge and tool at their Gt Yarmouth plant made optical measuring instruments that used mirrors that were polished at the plant back in the late 60s. They used the name Kandux and the machines were optical comparetors. The mirrors were quite a few inches in diameter – it might be worth looking for an old unit, as I expect most have gone now but the mirrors might have survived. I worked there. Noel.

                                            #529823
                                            Dave S
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                                              @daves59043
                                              Posted by Anthony Knights on 24/02/2021 09:21:21:

                                              Sheer speculation-how flat is a hard drive disk?

                                              According to this **LINK** – lambda/100

                                              or Very Very Flat

                                              might be a cheap alternative

                                              Dave

                                              #529880
                                              Bob Worsley
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                                                @bobworsley31976

                                                Found a front silvered mirror off of a H&W shadowgraph? Also thought I had one of the mirrors you pictured but so far can't find it.

                                                #529905
                                                Pete Rimmer
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                                                  @peterimmer30576

                                                  If you do find the mounted one Bob please let me know. What size and thickness is the shadowgraph mirror?

                                                  #529942
                                                  Clive Hartland
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                                                    @clivehartland94829

                                                    Hello Pete, had a look through all my bits and peces and found two round mirrors, one is 28mm dia. but has slight surface marks. the second is pristine and is a stepped body of about 65 mm dia and the mirror part at 55mm. This body is about 20mm thick.

                                                    PM me if you are interested.

                                                    #529946
                                                    Pete Rimmer
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                                                      @peterimmer30576

                                                      Thanks Clive, I've sent you a message. That one does sound just about ideal.

                                                      Pete.

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