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  • #520081
    Dr_GMJN
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      @dr_gmjn

      As per the title really.

      I suppose up to 200mm would be fine for small/medium sized model steam engine work? I often wished I’d got one when building the 10V

      Arc do one for about £80 – wouldn’t want to spend much more than that, but open to suggestions.

      As ever, advice is much appreciated. Thanks.

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      #20102
      Dr_GMJN
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        @dr_gmjn
        #520096
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          Digital is nice but you will get a good vernier 12" for much less. I paid £40 for a new old stock mitutoyo 12", a beautiful tool. Try ebay, there are plenty there . Noel

          Edited By noel shelley on 16/01/2021 01:19:33

          #520119
          Craig Brown
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            @craigbrown60096

            I would also recommend a vernier/dial version over digital. I have a less expensive, but by no means cheap, digital height gauge and it drains the battery when not in use, which is irritating if I forget to remove it. As above I have since bought a second hand vernier mitutoyo, a joy to use.

            #520124
            Anonymous

              Another vote for mechanical. I use a 12" Etalon bought secondhand on Ebay.

              Andrew

              #520136
              Andrew Tinsley
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                @andrewtinsley63637

                If it is only for occasional use then go vernier NOT digital. Digital ones fail, because of electronic faults. mechanical ones will last as long as you do!

                I purchased a top of the range digital Mitutoyo, for peanuts, because it didn't work. I took a chance on repairing it and managed to effect a good repair. I thought that this was a warning, so sold it on as a worker that had been repaired.

                If I had spent that kind of money on a new one, I would have been mortified! If you buy a cheap one, don't expect it to last.

                Andrew.

                #520141
                Bo’sun
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                  @bosun58570

                  Another "thumbs up" for the Vernier Height Gauge. Got a great Rabone & Chesterman 12"/30mm model on Ebay for £52.00. With digital instruments, I always find myself questioning the zero setting.

                  #520147
                  John Haine
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                    @johnhaine32865

                    Just to put a contrary point of view. I have a tall "dial type" mechanical height gauge that get's used on the surface plate. It's the type that has a rack and pinion to set the height with a big knob, the dial shows mm by 0.01 mm, and there are resettable mechanical "digital" counters for whole mm both up and down. Height is about 50 cm. Very nice but use with care since it is easy to actually lift the base slightly when using the knob to put the pointed on the reference of measuring surface. Also much too tall to easily use on either mill to get the material height datum.

                    I have two short digital gauges, one is a Wixey type made really woodworking to set saw height, the other I made from a short capacitive scale (and is even shorter that the Wixey). Why two? Well one is left and the other right handed, so I can use at either end of the little CNC mill table without having to try seeing over the back of the mill. Being able to easily set the gauge to zero on a reference surface is also a boon. I wouldn't be without any of them.

                    Only problem with the Wixey is that the base is aluminium so very light. It came with a little magnet in the base to stick it down to a wood saw table, but you can imagine what happens to that on a mill! Once you get a bit of swarf stuck on the magnet a bit proud, you start getting odd zero errors, so the magnets came off.

                    #520150
                    Machine-DRO
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                      @machine-dro

                      Morning all,

                      Sorry to jump in on this thread (mods please delete if not appropriate)

                      One of our international distributors cancelled a large order on us for the below 300mm height gauge at the start of the pandemic;

                      **LINK**

                      This stock has now arrived in the UK and we genuinely need to reduce our stock holding on this part

                      We can offer this to forum members at £100 (83.33 ex VAT)

                      Free shipping to UK mainland (outside UK please contact us for pricing)

                      If you would like to order or have any questions please contact us

                      01992 363128 (Mon to Friday 9-4pm)

                      Or email me your postal address and I will get a pro forma invoice raised for you

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                      Offer valid until end of this month.

                      Regards

                      Alan Ward

                      #520154
                      Howard Lewis
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                        @howardlewis46836

                        Yet another vote for a Vernier type.

                        There are no batteries to go flat at the least convenient time. And they never need to be be rebooted after misbehaviour !

                        (I use digtal callipers, but have a slight reservation, not without foundation, about repeatability ).

                        OK, so digital types have the facility to change from Imperial to Metric at the touch of a button, and to change the position of the Zero point.

                        But a pen and paper to record the start and finish readings is no great disadvantage.

                        Decide whether you want Imperial or Metric, but don't rush to buy the first one that takes your eye.

                        You might get lucky and find one with both scales.

                        You will need a magnifier to examine the vernier more closely..

                        Beyond 300mm they become unwieldy, so don't go for larger than you will need.

                        HTH

                        Howard

                        #520156
                        SillyOldDuffer
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                          @sillyoldduffer

                          I've got a digital height gauge and it's OK. I'm less likely to mess up reading a digital display, and they're quicker. Andrew's comments about reliability should be taken with a pinch of salt because electronics are more reliable than their mechanical equivalents. No moving parts to wear out or get gummed up! Most old cars go into the crusher with working radios.

                          That said, I rarely use my height gauge and it's stored with the battery out. So every time I use it, there's an frustrating delay while I find and fit the battery. For what I do an analogue height gauge would definitely be better, but the gap isn't enough for me to replace the digital gauge.

                          There must be a break-even point where digital pulls away from analogue in terms of convenience. I'd guess it's jobs requiring more than about 20 measurements per session, and certainly when the gauge is used frequently, especially all day every day, as when doing inspections.

                          Dave

                          #520163
                          Anonymous
                            Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/01/2021 11:06:42:

                            …………..because electronics are more reliable than their mechanical equivalents.

                            So why are there so many threads on here regarding motors and controllers that have stopped working?

                            Andrew

                            #520170
                            Graham Meek
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                              @grahammeek88282

                              fig 1 view from the users side.jpg

                              I used to have a digital Height gauge, but going into the workshop at this time of the year the numerals were as difficult to see as the lines on my old Vernier version.

                              I decided to make my own, and in a size which better suits my needs. This is easily as accurate as my other two units and much easier to read.

                              The cost was one needle roller race and a scale from a cheap depth gauge. The rest came for the scrap box or from materials in-stock.

                              Regards

                              Gray,

                              Edited By Graham Meek on 16/01/2021 11:43:11

                              #520182
                              Bo’sun
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                                @bosun58570

                                Maybe a good compromise would be a mechanically driven (no batteries) digital display, rather than an electronic/LCD one. I've seen micrometers with this set-up, but I don't recall seeing it on a height gauge.

                                #520186
                                Mike Poole
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                                  @mikepoole82104

                                  The nice thing about digital measuring is the datum can be wherever you want it to be, a mechanical height gauge is stuck with the surface plate as the obvious zero. Of course the zero can be offset with parallels or 123 blocks or just careful setting up but you will need to think about every dimension. My vernier height gauge is mechanical and I am quite happy with it, a digital could still find a home but I am not looking out for one.

                                  Mike

                                  #520190
                                  John Haine
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                                    @johnhaine32865

                                    Keep a small supply of batteries for your gauges. Allendale sell them.

                                    #520204
                                    mechman48
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                                      @mechman48

                                      I have one of these, the 8" version. I used to have one made from a dial Vernier caliper but the rack had problems so I ended up getting the digital one.

                                      **LINK**

                                      George.

                                      #520208
                                      Rik Shaw
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                                        @rikshaw

                                        I bought this 150mm digital unbranded version new and cased from a bloke standing behind a pasting table in the middle of a field one gloriously hot Sunday afternoon some years ago – £30 if I remember correctly. It is smooth, accurate, very reliable and a pleasure to use. It lives and works for most of the time on top of a 12" square granite inspection plate (another car boot acquisition) where used in conjunction with a box of older Matrix imperial slips I can – for instance – mark out in confidence without having to rely on my ropey old eyes.

                                        I would recommend one with a carbide scribing jaw for obvious reasons and try and remember to turn the power of after use, that way the battery will last "forever".

                                        Rik

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                                        #520223
                                        Andrew Tinsley
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                                          @andrewtinsley63637

                                          Hello SOD

                                          The digital height gauge that I repaired was just out of guarantee Mitutoyo. So you think digital height gauges are more reliable than mechanical ones? I don't! I have also had complete failures of two expensive digital calipers, again just outside guarantee period.

                                          My mechanical Kanon height gauge is going strong after almost 50 years, as are several mechanical vernier calipers of good manufacture, again getting on for 50 years of age. I bet a pound to a penny that most electronic measuring kit won't last that long.

                                          Andrew.

                                          #520234
                                          Fatgadgi
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                                            @fatgadgi

                                            I bought a low cost height gauge a few years back, which was perfectly adequate at the time. But it stopped working after a couple of years (after eating it's way through my battery supplies).

                                            Then I was lucky and got given a scrap Mitutoyo because the battery cover was broken. This has probably lasted me 10 years now and is perfect for me. The numbers are big and easy to read and I wouldn't want to be without the ability to zero anywhere, which I use frequently and has to be one of the major benefits of digital. Easily flipping from Metric to Imperial may be useful for some, but not me.

                                            Of course, the insulating tape still holds the battery cover on.

                                            Cheers Will

                                            #520250
                                            Dr_GMJN
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                                              @dr_gmjn

                                              Thanks all.

                                              I like the idea of a cheaper mechanical Mitutoyo gauge in terms of quality and longevity, but with the DROs and digital callipers I use on the milling machine and lathe, I wouldn't want to be without them.

                                              I've got a really nice Mitutoyo dial gauge which I bought brand new many years ago for measuring car stuff, but I never use it – it's just way easier to use the cheap digital version. I do use my Mitutoyo micrometer, but only because I've not got a digital one yet. It's a pain to read compared with glancing at a digital readout.

                                              I'm not using this stuff every day, and have never used such equipment as part of my day job, so with mechanical verniers etc it's much more likely I'd make a mistake when reading them.

                                              Re. batteries, I've got a stock of them, but so far I've not had to change the DRO ones since installing them back in May. The calliper ones need changing every 6 months or so, but no big deal. All of them switch off automatically after a set time of not being used.

                                              Never had any issue with any of them stopping working. Whenever I've randomly measured slip gauges or whatever, they've always seemed spot-on in terms of the accuracy – at least well within what I've ever likely to need.

                                              #520251
                                              Pete.
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                                                @pete-2

                                                Andrew T, I bought a sylvac digital caliper from Allendale just before Christmas while on sale for £55, I read somewhere they have a lifetime warranty and are Swiss made, might be worth a look if you're in the market for some digital calipers, they claim to have extremely long battery life also, I am very impressed with the quality, for £55 delivered, absolute bargain.

                                                As far as the vernier height gauge, Shardlow might be worth a look, they have a rack and pinion adjust mechanism, so you can adjust it one handed without holding the base, must have cost a fortune new, they turn up on ebay in their box with the bits for £50-£70ish now and then, it's far superior to the mitutoyo one it replaced.

                                                Vernier height gauge

                                                #520278
                                                Steviegtr
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                                                  @steviegtr

                                                  These are 2 Mitutoyo 500mm 20" that i picked up cheap. One of each. But i could not say which i would choose if buying new. Although the left one would cost an arm & leg.

                                                  Steve.

                                                   

                                                  mitutoyo height gauge 1.jpg

                                                  Edited By Steviegtr on 16/01/2021 20:21:31

                                                  #520294
                                                  Martin Kyte
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                                                    @martinkyte99762

                                                    I was given a vernier hight guage some years ago when our workshop went digital. At 18" it's a little large for my surface plate but I would not change it for a digital just to acquire the ability to zero set. I does take a little longer to set by vernier than glancing at a readout but then it's not called on for use that often so what the heck.

                                                    regards Martin

                                                    #520303
                                                    duncan webster 1
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                                                      Posted by Pete. on 16/01/2021 17:04:06:

                                                      Andrew T, I bought a sylvac digital caliper ………., I read somewhere they have a lifetime warranty and are Swiss made, …

                                                      Anyone know if that's for real? I've got one which is probably 20+ years old which has expired, if it has a lifetime guarantee I might contact them. Of course as it's dead its guarantee might have died with it!

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