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  • #17667
    Tim Ostley
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      #185781
      Tim Ostley
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        @timostley22330

        Hi,

        Well I give up. I obtained a Clarkson S autolock chuck and whilst it was on its way I bought a collet to go in it ( the chuck was just that, no collets or spanner). As you might expect the collet didn't fit – I thought I was getting a small model s chuck and a large one arrived. Ho hum silly me. So I got a 1 1/4" collet instead and blow me that doesn't fit either. The chuck is definitely a Clarkson and the outside dimensions match those for a large chuck. The collet looks like a Clarkson but is too big. It is also 32mm but that is another story. There is precious little data on Clarkson chucks on the 'net.

        The chuck has an outer ring screwed on the body with Tommy bar holes, has a 3MT arbour and the number 40096 engraved on the back of the ring. The body is also engraved with Clarkson S and a patent number. The outside diameter of the collets needs to be 1 3/8 as near as I can measure it.

        Before I spend any more money on collets can anyone tell me what I have got and what specification of collets I need to obtain?

        All the best.

        Tim

         

         

        Edited By Tim Ostley on 07/04/2015 19:56:58

        Edited By Tim Ostley on 07/04/2015 19:58:08

        Edited By Tim Ostley on 07/04/2015 19:59:14

        #185784
        Tony Pratt 1
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          @tonypratt1

          Any chance of photos?

          Tony

          #185786
          Tim Ostley
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            @timostley22330

            iPads are not the greatest for this but …..

            #185787
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Tim you will need to host them elsewhere or create an album on this forum

              #185788
              Tim Ostley
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                @timostley22330

                Second attempt ….

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                Edited By Tim Ostley on 07/04/2015 20:29:17

                #185789
                Robbo
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                  @robbo

                  Maybe this will help. The capacity of the large chuck depends on the size of the taper it seems.

                  autolock chuck capacity001.jpg

                  #185791
                  Graham Wharton
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                    @grahamwharton

                    I'd say that's a Medium S Type chuck on an MT3 Taper. It looks identical to the one I sold a couple of years back due to not being able to find any collets other than a 1" one that I had. In the approx 1 year that I was monitoring ebay for collets, I dont think I ever saw anything other than 1" (at a price I was willing to pay)

                    Clarkson part numbers for the medium chuck range are

                    • 40094 – 1" Collet
                    • 40095 – Spanner Medium
                    • 40096 – Medium Damping Ring
                    • 40097 – 25mm Collet
                    • 40098 – 3/4" Collet
                    • 40099 – 20mm Collet

                    Hope this helps. Good luck in the hunt for collets.

                    Graham

                    #185793
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      And this will give you where to measure the gauge line.

                      I would say MT3 has a smallish gauge dia so you could have a large holder that will only thake a 1" collet

                      #185795
                      Tim Ostley
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                        @timostley22330

                        Thanks for all the info guys. It looks like a medium autolock (didn't realise there was such a thing). I guess that the 3/4" and 1" collets for the medium and large chuck are different. Ho hum.

                        Tim

                        #185796
                        Roy M
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                          @roym

                          Do not despair, unless you are going to be seriously out of pocket,you may consider making a series of bespoke inserts to covert the chuck into a sidelock holder, fly-cutter, boring bar, etc., etc. It looks a sturdy bit of kit.

                          Roy M.

                          Edited By Roy M on 07/04/2015 21:11:05

                          #185798
                          Graham Wharton
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                            @grahamwharton

                            For more info,

                            Small Collet O/D = 7/8"

                            Medium Collet O/D = 1-3/8"

                            Large Collet O/D = 1.683"

                            Graham

                            #185806
                            Vic
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                              @vic

                              Home and workshop machinery often used to have these chucks for sale, maybe they have spare collets?

                              #185826
                              Lambton
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                                @lambton

                                The ring at the top with tommy bar holes is a Damping Ring the purpose of which is explained in the instructions as follows:

                                "The purpose of these rings is to give stability to chucks which have small tapers and relatively large overhang below the machine spindle. The chucks listed are supplied with a left-hand thread on the back face of the body to which the rings can be fitted. When the damping ring is screwed onto the chuck and tightened back against the machine spindle nose it greatly improves the stability of these particular chucks."

                                Although Clarkson do not mention it the ring can also be used to eject the chuck from the machine spindle provided the draw-bar has not been over tightened.

                                #185827
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                  Posted by Tim Ostley on 07/04/2015 19:56:19:

                                  There is precious little data on Clarkson chucks on the 'net.

                                  … The body is also engraved with Clarkson S and a patent number.

                                  .

                                  Tim,

                                  In the interests of increasing the data available on the 'net …

                                  Could you please quote that patent number.

                                  Many thanks

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #185848
                                  Tim Ostley
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                                    @timostley22330

                                    As requested, the engraving on the chuck says:

                                    3 MORSE TYPE S

                                    BR PAT 915713

                                    ENGLAND 1/2 BSW

                                    Tim

                                    P.S. If anyone has any of the 4 collets made for this chuck, do get in touch!

                                    #185858
                                    SteveI
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                                      Hi,

                                       

                                      If all goes well you will see an image below my text. Hopefully this will add to the thread.

                                       

                                      Since you have a MT3 chuck taper you could have a miniature, small or large collet chuck. I can't be 100% sure if its a small or a large from the picture. MT3 (and R8) large are limited in that they only work with 1" and 25mm collets because the taper gauge line is smaller than 1.5". So you would be looking for a 1" or 25mm collet.  normally the large autolock chucks came with 2 collets in the Imperial version a 1" and a 1 1/4" or Metric version with 25mm and 32mm.  Originally there are 2 cutouts in the foam in the box for these two collets. The exceptions are this more limited shank types e.g. MT3 & R8 came with both  a 1" and a 25mm. I.e. you still got your 2 collets but the set is both Imperial and Metric but the set omits the largest sizes.  The information in the thread will enable you to confirm definitively if you have a small or large chuck. If you have a small then you are looking for in Imperial 1/4", 3/8" 1/2", 5/8" and Metric 6mm, 10mm ,12mm, 16mm. These small sizes collets are readily available from dealers and ebay.co.uk. Where are you? Perhaps a local dealer may be able to help?

                                      Steve

                                       

                                       

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                                      Edited By SteveI on 08/04/2015 20:23:27

                                      #185864
                                      Graham Wharton
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                                        @grahamwharton

                                        Steve,

                                        I think at some point Clarkson must have changed the name of the large chucks with a taper gauge of less than 1/2" to medium to remove confusion about collet sizes. The 1" collet for the large chuck with taper gauge of less than 1/2" is a completely different size collet to the 1" collet for the large chuck with taper gauge of more than 1/2".

                                        This applies to all of the 803XX series from the table above. The body diameter is smaller than the other large chucks, and the collet O/D is smaller than the other large chucks.

                                        The full range of collets for the three chuck sizes are

                                        Small 6mm, 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 16mm, 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8"

                                        Medium 20mm, 25mm, 3/4", 1"

                                        Large 20mm, 25mm, 32mm, 3/4", 1", 1-1/4"

                                        Looking at the clarkson part numbers, the 8mm Small, 20mm Large, 3/4" Large and all medium collets all appear out of sequence with the other original collet part numbers, so these may have been introduced after the above clarkson images were produced. I'm guessing the extra collets were introduced at the same time as the range was changed to small, medium and large.

                                        Cheers

                                        Graham

                                        #185867
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          Posted by Tim Ostley on 08/04/2015 19:30:40:

                                          BR PAT 915713

                                          .

                                          Thanks for that, Tim

                                          Here it is

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #185870
                                          SteveI
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                                            @stevei

                                            Graham,

                                            Thanks for educating me with that extra explanation of sizes. I agree that my image must be from an older document.

                                            I have never seen a 3/4" or a 20mm collet that fits my R8 "large" chuck. And I have sorted through quite a lot of collets at various dealers looking. Nor do I have any endmills or slot drills with that size shank. At the risk of "being an anorak" the reason I have looked is out of curiosity as I do have a 8mm, 20mm, and 3/4" collet (amongst others) for my clarkson T&C grinder air bearing flute grinding attachment. Those P/N's are also out of sequence so again that points to a later product.

                                            To aid the thread as a future reference I will add that I also picked up a number of replacement centers as a lot all P/N 40102 and these fit the R8 small and MT3 small (as in miniaautolock-accesories.jpgture, small, large). I have yet to see what my R8 large takes as the center is in vgc.I also include a picture with some of the other types of accessories. Are there others?

                                            Steve

                                            #185871
                                            Graham Wharton
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                                              @grahamwharton

                                              Clarkson part numbers for Collets and Chuck Spares. Hope they are of use.

                                              Collets and Parts
                                              40070 Small Sleeve
                                              40071 1/4 Small collet
                                              40072 3/8 small collet
                                              40073 1/2 small collet
                                              40074 5/8 small collet
                                              40075 Small Spanner
                                              40076 Large sleeve
                                              40077 1" large collet
                                              40078 1-1/4 large collet
                                              40079 2MT Large Centre
                                              40080 1MT Large Centre
                                              40081 Large Spanner
                                              40086 Large to Small Adapter
                                              40088 Small Damping Ring
                                              40090 0MT Small Centre
                                              40091 3/4" Large Collet
                                              40094 1" Medium Collet
                                              40095 Medium Spanner
                                              40096 Medium Damping Ring
                                              40097 25mm Medium Collet
                                              40098 3/4" Medium Collet
                                              40099 20mm Medium Collet
                                              40100 Medium Sleeve
                                              40102 1MT Small Centre
                                              40245 1/4" – 5/8" Small Collet Set
                                              40246 1" & 1-1/4" Large Collet Set
                                              40247 6mm – 16mm Small Collet Set
                                              40248 25mm & 32mm Large Collet Set
                                              40M71 6mm Small Collet
                                              40M72 10mm Small Collet
                                              40M73 12mm Small Collet
                                              40M74 16mm Small Collet
                                              40M77 25mm Large Collet
                                              40M78 32mm Large Collet
                                              40M91 20mm Large Collet
                                              40M92 8mm Small Collet
                                              #185872
                                              Graham Wharton
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                                                @grahamwharton

                                                Clarkson part numbers for chucks. Hope they are of use. There's probably some gaps which you may be able to work out. e.g I reckon my 3MT Large Chuck is actually part number 80103 etc.

                                                Chucks
                                                80002 2MT Small Chuck
                                                80003 3MT Small Chuck
                                                80004 4MT Small Chuck
                                                80005 5MT Small Chuck
                                                80007 B&S#7 Small Chuck
                                                80008 R8 Small Chuck
                                                80009 B&S#9 Small Chuck
                                                80010 B&S#10 Small Chuck
                                                80013 3MT Small Chuck Victoria
                                                80014 4MT Small Chuck Deckel
                                                80016 50ISO Small Chuck Arborlock
                                                80020 40ISO Small Chuck Deckel
                                                80030 30ISO Small Chuck ISO297
                                                80038 1-3/8" NS Small Chuck
                                                80040 40ISO Small Chuck
                                                80047 45ISO Small Chuck Caterpillar
                                                80049 50ISO Small Chuck Caterpillar
                                                80050 50ISO Small Chuck
                                                80072 40ISO Small Chuck DIN2080
                                                80073 50ISO Small Chuck DIN2080
                                                80090 30ISO Small Chuck BE System
                                                80091 40ISO Small Chuck BE System
                                                80105 5MT Large Chuck
                                                80106 6MT Large Chuck
                                                80115 5MT Large Chuck DIN2207
                                                80116 50ISO Large Chuck Arborloc
                                                80120 40ISO Large Chuck Deckel
                                                80126 6MT Large Chuck DIN2207
                                                80140 40ISO Large Chuck
                                                80147 40ISO Large Chuck Caterpillar
                                                80148 45ISO Large Chuck Caterpillar
                                                80149 50ISO Large Chuck Caterpillar
                                                80150 50ISO Large Chuck
                                                80172 40ISO Large Chuck DIN2080
                                                80173 50ISO Large Chuck DIN2080
                                                80191 40ISO Large Chuck BE System
                                                80201 1MT Miniature Chuck
                                                80202 2MT Miniature Chuck
                                                80203 3MT Miniature Chuck
                                                80303 3MT Medium Chuck
                                                80304 4MT Medium Chuck
                                                80308 R8 Medium Chuck
                                                80314 4MT Medium Chuck Deckel
                                                80330 30ISO Medium Chuck ISO297

                                                Edited By Graham Wharton on 08/04/2015 21:43:29

                                                #185873
                                                Tim Ostley
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                                                  @timostley22330

                                                  Steve,

                                                  It appears that there are two forms of the large autolock chuck. The largest will take 3 different collets 3/4" 1" and 1 1/4". Plus three metric equivalents. The metric equivalents have a groove on the outer 'wings' of the collet. The one I have takes two imperial collets 3/4" and 1" only and the metric equivalents. The collets for mine are smaller in outside diameter than the large ones so are not interchangeable. The Clarkson chuck documents I have seen on the net don't mention my chuck. See Graham Wharton's post earlier for the part numbers of my chuck.

                                                  It has been very interesting to find out about the Clarkson chucks – this thread probably contains most of what is known.

                                                  Thanks to all.

                                                  Tim

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