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  • #17554
    Brian Wood
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      @brianwood45127

      Today’s finel crafted mistake

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      #170065
      Brian Wood
      Participant
        @brianwood45127

        Graham Meek will recognise this component, I had hoped to put the keyway in last

        Now I know better!

         

        Brian

        Edited By Brian Wood on 19/11/2014 15:30:39

        Edited By JasonB on 19/11/2014 15:36:17

        Edited By JasonB on 21/11/2014 12:30:20

        #170066
        JasonB
        Moderator
          @jasonb

          Brian, I think you need one of those "Z" section keys that enter on one side and exit on the otherwink 2

          J

          PS fixed your picture

          Edited By JasonB on 19/11/2014 15:36:38

          #170067
          Neil Wyatt
          Moderator
            @neilwyatt

            Just machine half the keyway from the top, then flip it over

            Neil

            #170068
            Michael Gilligan
            Participant
              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by JasonB on 19/11/2014 15:35:54:

              PS fixed your picture

              .

              ? … picture looks upside-down from here.

              MichaelG.

              #170069
              JasonB
              Moderator
                @jasonb

                No its looking down on the stronger image and the lighter image is in the mirror along with whats on the wall.

                The problem with teh picture was it was missing from the post

                J

                #170075
                Michael Gilligan
                Participant
                  @michaelgilligan61133
                  Posted by JasonB on 19/11/2014 16:10:42:

                  No its looking down on the stronger image and the lighter image is in the mirror along with whats on the wall.

                  .

                  blush

                  Oops … I thought the machine head and the tools were just upside-down in the photo.

                  MichaelG.

                  #170077
                  jason udall
                  Participant
                    @jasonudall57142

                    Come on guys…we’ve all done it…
                    If lucky to one part at a time….
                    Nice anodising Brian

                    #170078
                    NJH
                    Participant
                      @njh

                      Jason

                      Why have you changed your Avtar from a very nice image of a traction engine ( presumably made by you) to, what appears to be, a picture of a slug on a red cabbage leaf? (…or has a bug got into the system somewhere? )

                      Regards

                      Norman

                      #170083
                      JasonB
                      Moderator
                        @jasonb

                        Thats strange, I'm still seeing my Minnie. I did upload one the other day when somebody had a problem as a test so looks like that has taken over. Will sort it out later as Wednesday night is shed nightwink 2

                        J

                        PS its a bit of my Monitor engine

                        #170085
                        Brian Wood
                        Participant
                          @brianwood45127

                          Gentlemen,

                          Thank you Jason for putting the picture on for me, it didn't appear as expected so well; found. Thank you for the comment on anodising, but it is a steel component with the details picked out in black marker pen to show rather than reflect

                          Michael. The tools are spanners seen through the mirror

                          Neil. That indeed was the recommendation by Graham Meek; I know I should have done it that way.

                          Norman I can't quite see what a slug has to do with this cock up, but the day continued in like vein to the point wher I closed up in disgust with myself! A better day tomorrow I hope

                          Brian

                          #170086
                          Neil Wyatt
                          Moderator
                            @neilwyatt

                            > I know I should have done it that way.

                            That was a joke, Brian! I assume you did the grooves that way, just the flip was in the wrong plane..

                            Neil

                            #170094
                            Brian Wood
                            Participant
                              @brianwood45127

                              Neil,

                              Graham made a keyed jig to locate on the precut keyway, maybe he anticipated that sort of mistake better than I did!

                              I also put off until now making a guide for the keyway broach, the hole is 3/4 inch diameter so it nereds a new guide just for this job.

                              I know you were joking, but I shall hang it on the wall along with my other mistakes, the list grows!

                              Brian

                              #170100
                              Chris Trice
                              Participant
                                @christrice43267

                                It took a moment to see the problem then the penny dropped. Oops! We've all been there. My worst example of self inflicted shame was machining a component incorrectly on the very last cut (of course) forcing me to junk it, making a new one and then repeating the very same mistake. Fortunately my workshop has pretty good sound proofing.

                                #170114
                                John Bromley
                                Participant
                                  @johnbromley78794

                                  Ok, so call me stupid, but whats the problem?

                                  I'm not even sure what the round thingy on the bit of wire is.

                                  John

                                  #170117
                                  Mike Poole
                                  Participant
                                    @mikepoole82104

                                    It's the selector ring from Graham's screw cutting dog clutch, the radial grooves should mirror each other, which as the photo shows they do not, the mirror image shows the grooves are 180 degrees apart and the required key way will break into one of the grooves (which is not the main problem but the grooves being 180 degrees out means it is start again time).

                                    Mike

                                    #170126
                                    John Hinkley
                                    Participant
                                      @johnhinkley26699

                                      I can't see what all the fuss is about! No, literally – I can't see anything in the OP's first post. There's just a blank space. I've tried iPad (PerfectBrowser), Laptop (Firefox33 + Linux) and the desktop (Windows 7 professional + Firefox33 and Internet Explorer). I'm busting a gut to have a look, 'cos it's something I do all too often! I'm glad to know it's not just me – although I do send my sympathies Brian.

                                      John

                                       

                                      Edited By John Hinkley on 20/11/2014 08:14:27

                                      #170131
                                      Michael Gilligan
                                      Participant
                                        @michaelgilligan61133
                                        Posted by John Hinkley on 20/11/2014 08:13:01:

                                        I can't see what all the fuss is about! No, literally – I can't see anything in the OP's first post. There's just a blank space.

                                        .

                                        John,

                                        I think they must stlll be in the process of migrating to the new server.

                                        … Quite a few images are missing, today.

                                        MichaelG.

                                        #170144
                                        JasonB
                                        Moderator
                                          @jasonb

                                          Yes there are some missing images that were uploaded yesterday, Neil has been informed

                                          #170145
                                          Brian Wood
                                          Participant
                                            @brianwood45127

                                            Michael Poole knows exactly what it is and the cure!

                                            Ah well, back to swarf making

                                            Brian

                                            #170151
                                            Neil Wyatt
                                            Moderator
                                              @neilwyatt

                                              Migration has happened, but now the website has multiple issues, they are trying to sort them ASAP.

                                              Neil

                                              #170156
                                              Trevor Wright
                                              Participant
                                                @trevorwright62541

                                                No picture here either, just a blank box.

                                                Web-site is flying now so something has worked right….

                                                trevor

                                                #170169
                                                roy entwistle
                                                Participant
                                                  @royentwistle24699

                                                  No photo here either though there was first thing this morning These computer things will never catch on

                                                  Roy devil

                                                  Edited By roy entwistle on 20/11/2014 15:51:49

                                                  #170171
                                                  Keith Long
                                                  Participant
                                                    @keithlong89920

                                                    Brian

                                                    If there is sufficient depth of material between the bore of the wheel and the inside diameter of the "dog groove" to get a key in, you can still use the wheel even though the grooves are cut with 180 deg rotation relative to each other. When the clutch is in operation the gear wheels with the dogs are rotating in opposite direction to each other so the angular relationship between the dogs is constantly changing and a twice the speed that you've got the lathe set at. The crux of the operation of the clutch is that the wheel that you're working on can only engage with the dog gear at one point in it's rotation – your's will still do that. What the gear that you are NOT engaging with is doing is not important. In Graham's design I seem to remember that the shaft key that the wheel slides on is a modified Woodruff key, I think it was shortened, it might be worth seeing how much (if any) of it's height you'd need to remove to get it to operate as a key without blocking the bottom of the groove. If you were to cut the keyway through the land area at the ends of one of the grooves then only one groove would be affected. It might save having to do a full remake unless you really want to.

                                                    #170172
                                                    Brian Wood
                                                    Participant
                                                      @brianwood45127

                                                      Hello Keith,

                                                      Thank you for your carefully detailed rescue plan, but the truth of the matter is that the remaining land before running into fresh air in the curved slot is less than 1 mm wall and the key is about 1.6 mm deep. My build is a trifle different to Graham's concept as I am retaining the original Myford mounting for the whole thing which pushes clearances a little.

                                                      Not only that, but you will remember the curved slot walls present support to the selector disc both top and bottom as it engages with each gear in turn and reducing the key height to accomodate my mistake will both weaken the key and is likely to tear up the wall with the torque being transmitted.

                                                      In this instance I have brazed the keys into the output shaft as I was concerned that anything less that the tightest press fit of key in slot could lead to the key loosening and working out with alternating side loading.

                                                      No, I screwed up and it is good for my soul to make a new component and get it right this time. I shall hang the mistake from my neck like a medallion as penance

                                                      Regards

                                                      Brian

                                                      Edited By Brian Wood on 20/11/2014 17:02:29

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