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  • #17546
    Nick_G
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      #169065
      Nick_G
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        @nick_g

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        Are they as good as is they say. i.e do they do 'what it says on the tin' or is it hype.?

        Also what size of shank is recommended for 'model' engineering.? It's nice to have a chunky and sturdy holder but of little use if you cannot get it into the work.

        Cheers, Nick

        #169066
        Metalmuncher
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          @metalmuncher

          Hi Nick, Yes they are good, but as I'm too tight to buy at the prices they want I made my own. It's not hard to make one if you have a mill. Keith.

          #169067
          Vic
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            @vic

            I've made several. They're good for basic turning and facing, easy to sharpen and HSS for them is inexpensive.

            Easy to make as well, both angles are 12°.

            #169070
            mechman48
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              @mechman48

              Hi Nick, they are good, I splashed out for one & use it for about 98% of my machining needs, Brass, Steel, Aluminium, although you really need a chip breaker in the tool for this stuff as it comes off in long slivers.. very sharp! smile o so I tend to use a carbide or HSS bit with chip breakers in for Aluminium.

              They come in 3 sizes… 8 – 9.5 – 12mm ( so it says in the advertising blurb ) so you can get on to suit all size machines, I got the 9.5mm for my machine & as said it's good albeit expensive, if you have a mill then you can make one, there is a thread on here that deals with these cutters & some have links to drawings to make one.

              George

              #169072
              Vic
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                @vic
                #169073
                Michael Horner
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                  @michaelhorner54327

                  Hi Nick

                  Have a go at building the Michael Cox one.

                  I use mine for ruffing and finishing cuts.

                  HTH

                  Cheers Michael.

                  #169074
                  Vic
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                    @vic

                    Lots of good links about them on the second page of this post:

                    http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/showthread.php?t=22458

                    #169080
                    Nick_G
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                      @nick_g

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                      Cheers folks. laugh

                      Nick

                      #171079
                      Barry Chamberlain 1
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                        Agree wholeheartedly with previous replies – I splashed out and bought both LH & RH versions plus the parting off tool …… and apart from using a round shaping tool and boring bars they have been in permanent use since unpacked over 12 months ago. A really excellent tool choice and the expense side of things soon fades as you get to appreciate just how good they are.

                        One point is that the supplied sharpening jig leaves your fingers VERY close to the grindstone wheel, so I have manufactured a longer version. I also had to fit a spacer onto the grinder tool rest to bring the base of the tool sharpener in-line with the wheel centre line.

                        Buy, and enjoy the freedom and flexibility they offer.

                        Cheers Barry

                        #171081
                        Neil Wyatt
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                          I am going to try the Wimberley holder soon (when it arrives this side of the pond!)

                          It will be interesting to compare it with a tangential tool.

                          Neil

                          #171088
                          the artfull-codger
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                            Posted by Neil Wyatt on 30/11/2014 13:09:18:

                            I am going to try the Wimberley holder soon (when it arrives this side of the pond!)

                            It will be interesting to compare it with a tangential tool.

                            Neil

                            OK Neil what's a Wimberly holder??, I have both lh & rh diamond tools and they'r great as above I use them for 90 percent of my work I bought 1 in ozz & the other by post & the customs stiffed me £20 !! that was before you could purchase them in this country.

                            Graham.

                            #171092
                            Dunc
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                              @dunc

                              Have a look here: http://www.wimberley-tools.com/

                              In USA/Canada it is ~half the price of the diamond toolholder

                              I have not tried a Wimberely but will be making a diamond – on my long todo list.

                              Oh yes, the usual disclaimers.

                              #171099
                              Neil Wyatt
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                                @neilwyatt

                                I'll say more about the Wimberley when I have it in my greasy paw. Those who have one, speak highly of it.

                                Neil

                                #171107
                                ChrisH
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                                  Picking up on this thread somewhat late in the day:

                                  Vic, 12 deg. angles for the tool bit, what angle does the grinding jig have on the ones you have made?

                                  Chris

                                  #171113
                                  Vic
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                                    @vic

                                    Hi Chris, 30° from the horizontal. Even for folks that have bought their toolholders I'd reccomend making the grinding jig. It's much nicer to use than the supplied one.

                                    #171146
                                    _Paul_
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                                      The Wimberley tool looks quite interesting but at a rather expensive $85 shipping to the UK plus the tool cost of $59 I'll wait or make one.

                                      Paul

                                      #171168
                                      Barry Chamberlain 1
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                                        @barrychamberlain1

                                        Having just looked at the Wimberley holder manual the tool grinding procedure seems to be as intricate as for a regular cutting tool whereas the Diamond Tangential tool grinding procedure (AND alignment in the tool holder) is just so straightforward, achievable by anyone of any level of expertise, and more importantly – consistent.

                                        Why not try both tools Neil and do a comparison in MEW? Think I know which tool will come out tops!!

                                        Barry

                                        #171187
                                        Neil Wyatt
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                                          Because I've made my very own tangential holder that fits my QCTP!

                                          Neil

                                          #171215
                                          Vic
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                                            Posted by Barry Chamberlain 1 on 01/12/2014 09:34:55:

                                            Having just looked at the Wimberley holder manual the tool grinding procedure seems to be as intricate as for a regular cutting tool whereas the Diamond Tangential tool grinding procedure (AND alignment in the tool holder) is just so straightforward, achievable by anyone of any level of expertise, and more importantly – consistent.

                                            Why not try both tools Neil and do a comparison in MEW? Think I know which tool will come out tops!!

                                            Barry

                                            I think you're right Barry. The Tangential tool is quick and foolproof when it comes to sharpening.

                                            I've also made a height gauge specific for my Lathe as well so set up is very quick. Probably quicker than using a QCTP.

                                            #171222
                                            NJH
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                                              You are right Vic in that the tangential tool is very easy to adjust for height. The essence the QCTP however is in the C hange part. Whilst I use the tangential tool for much of the time other tools are more tricky to get right. Once the boats are set up then tool changes are quick and easy.

                                              Here is my little selection:-

                                              qctp holders.jpg

                                              Cheers

                                              Norman

                                              #171238
                                              Vic
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                                                @vic

                                                Yes quite right, once set up you're only limited by the number of Toolholders you have. Nice selection Norman!

                                                I couldn't justify the cost for what I do so I've stuck with the four way though. I've got round the quick change part by bonding shims of the right thickness to the bottom of my insert holders so the're permanently on centre. Good plan except I noticed one of the shims had dropped off of one during last years house move! I think perhaps I didn't degrease it properly when I epoxied it. Oh well, another little job to add to the list!

                                                #171604
                                                Nick_G
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                                                  @nick_g

                                                  .

                                                  As the OP on this I feel I should update.

                                                  I did purchase left and right handed tools along with the grinding jig. I must say I am very pleased with them and the finish they give.

                                                  I used a round tool bit for turning the crankshaft of the Stuart engine build I have on the go. – The finish on it is great. laugh

                                                  A friend of mine who has been a pro engineer for 40+ years called round, and while he was here had a little play. He was also impressed and found them an 'interesting' tool and although he mostly uses insert tips stated there would be times when he would use such.

                                                  I remarked that although I was pleased with them they were expensive. He disagreed with me and thought them to be very good value.!!! – Different scale of priorities and viewpoint I suppose.

                                                  Nick

                                                  #171646
                                                  Howard Lewis
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                                                    After reading the article in the Autumn 2009 issue of M E W, I made one. Was so impressed that I made one for a pal.

                                                    Mine never was used much in anger, (reverted to replaceable tips) but a few months ago, made a bigger version to take 5/16 toolbits.

                                                    This has now become the standard tool of choice. Nearly as good as replaceable tip, (better at interrupted cuts), easy to set to centre height (using a gauge), and a lot cheaper than T.C. tips.

                                                    Initially used the 20 degree sharpening jig as per the article, but have made up a holder for the Worden. This makes a better job of it, but takes time to dig out the Worden from under the fitting bench and set it up. "Do I hear someone say "you get what you pay for?&quot

                                                    Am now wondering about making a L H version, (scrooge!) or maybe even buying one.

                                                    Conclusion: Either way; recommended.

                                                    Howard

                                                    #171649
                                                    ChrisH
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                                                      @chrish

                                                      Sorry Vic, missed your post, 30 deg for the jig it is, thanks for that. Will make a toolholder in the fullness of time, that is, just as soon as I can get to it on the work list!

                                                      Chris

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