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Fake Mitutoyo Digital Callipers on eBay

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28 September 2014 at 12:09 #164866
Mike Crossfield
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Having been recently "conned" myself, I wanted to warn others about counterfeit Mitutoyo callipers currently being offered at bargain prices on eBay (and maybe elsewhere).

The items in question are advertised as Mitutoyo 6 inch digital callipers part 500-196-20. They look quite convincing, and come in apparently correct packaging together with instructions and test certificate. On closer examination, however, they can be seen to be fake. In particular in Inch mode the display only shows 3 digits, not 4, after the decimal point, the serial number on the calliper does not match that on the test certificate, the button functions are not as described in the instructions, and the batteries supplied are not Mitutoyo brand SR44 silver oxide parts. There are other giveaways which you can find on Google if you search for "fake Mitutoyo callipers".

Obviously you can't easily check these points if you are buying mail order, so my advice would be to avoid 500-196-20 callipers being advertised by Chinese suppliers, not least because of the hassle involved in returning counterfeit items and getting a refund.

Incidentally, Mitutoyo has recently introduced an improved version of the 500-196-20 which has better contamination resistance. This has apparently not yet been counterfeited. The part number for the improved product is 500-196-30.

Mike
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28 September 2014 at 12:09 #17515
Mike Crossfield
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28 September 2014 at 12:57 #164871
Hopper
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@hopper
Watch out for knock-off Mitutoyo dial test indicators too. Giveaway is point type bearing on the finger pivot instead of the Mitutoyo ball bearings. And different bezel.

If they are too cheap to be true — they are!

I lucked out and bought a cheapo generic Chinese indicator from Asia for about $25 and when it arrived it was all dressed up in Mitutoyo packaging with Mitutoyo written on the dial etc. But quality of the dovetails gave the game away immediately so I looked it up on the net and there is a Mitutoyo sheet on differences to look out for.

So far the $20 knock off works just fine — but I would not have wanted to pay genuine Mitutoyo price for it!
28 September 2014 at 14:32 #164890
ronan walsh
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Has anyone contacted mitutoyo and put them on to these fake products ? I doubt they would take it lying down.
28 September 2014 at 19:06 #164924
clivel
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Posted by Mike Crossfield on 28/09/2014 12:09:11:

Having been recently "conned" myself, I wanted to warn others about counterfeit Mitutoyo callipers currently being offered at bargain prices on eBay (and maybe elsewhere).

Mike

Mike,
You should report the listing to eBay, they are responsible for taking down listings offering pirated products,

Posted by ronan walsh on 28/09/2014 14:32:28:

Has anyone contacted mitutoyo and put them on to these fake products ? I doubt they would take it lying down.

No doubt Mitutoyo are well aware that their products are faked. Unfortunately the scale of the piracy is so large that policing becomes impractical especially as it seems as if the Chinese government has little enthusiasm to put a stop to it at source.

The only recourse that most manufacturers have is to report pirated products at the point of sale. For example a local woman's accessories shop that sold fake high-end, name-brand handbags, purses etc was shut down after the owners' of the affected trademarks reported the shop owners to the authorities.

Unfortunately the proliferation of pirated products cuts across all markets, I recently had an expensive torch completely ruined when the "Duracell" batteries I had fitted leaked after a few weeks. A web search soon revealed that counterfeit Duracell batteries are widely distributed. Regrettably as I had long since thrown out the packaging and receipt I couldn't recall where I had bought them.

Clive

Edited By clivel on 28/09/2014 19:08:01
28 September 2014 at 19:25 #164928
Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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How to check the Mitutoyo instruments is fake: **LINK**

Here is the possible to see difference between original and fake Mitutoyo digital calliper:

**LINK**
28 September 2014 at 19:32 #164929
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by clivel on 28/09/2014 19:06:20:

I recently had an expensive torch completely ruined when the "Duracell" batteries I had fitted leaked after a few weeks. A web search soon revealed that counterfeit Duracell batteries are widely distributed.

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Clive,

I'm sad to say that I have had more leaky Duracells than any othe Alkaline cell I have used.

… Dating back more than 20 years, and with the apologetic replies from Duracell [so, presumably, not fakes].

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/09/2014 19:33:06
29 September 2014 at 08:55 #164967
I.M. OUTAHERE
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I had a quick look at the one i bought a few months back and luckily i seem to have the genuine item but what was throwing me off was the battery cover as it is the same as the fake unit shown in the link . After a good long search through my local suppliers websites that are Mitutoyo dealers it seems that the 500-196-20 has the same type as shown on the fake item and the 500-196-30 has the one shown as genuine so maybe a modification for the newer model.

Now i'm worried about the Starrett unit i have !

Ian.

Edited By XD 351 on 29/09/2014 08:56:58
30 September 2014 at 17:42 #165137
Howard Lewis
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Fake, or not, my experience of supposedly "genuine" Duracells is that they seep and crystallise at the base. Competitive make batteries don't; so Duracell lost my business. Sad

Howard.
30 September 2014 at 19:32 #165151
jim’
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i've got a Mitutogo DTI

Edited By jim’ on 30/09/2014 19:33:21
27 March 2015 at 10:34 #184603
Robert Van Staalduinen
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Well, I just purchased 3 of these fake calipers for the price of one genuine when on special (NZ$60ea) using AliExpress. I was sent a message from the supplier before they were shipped and he said that they were made in china but very good product…

So, they turned up today and aside from a few things out of place, it is a very good caliper, not a geniuine mitutoyo, but a good fake. Internet searching has shown 2 distinct types of fake and I seem to have this type **LINK**

It is easily distinguishable by having a small 4th decimal when in Imperial mode. The plastic casing doesn't fit the best and the gib adjuster screws are not central to the plastic casing holes. All 3 had a broken tab on battery cover, apparently another tell tale sign. The certificates had matching serial numbers (all 3 were different) but the rest of the inspection certificate is a straight copy, from the issue number to the errors in readout at set lengths.

I tested these calipers against 2 different micrometers and another caliper all Insize brand. My test piece was a Harold Hall inspired cylindrical square I made, Measuring 24.964 digital mic, 24.97 std mic and 24.97 on the caliper.

The 3 fake Mitutoyo calipers measured the piece at either 24.96 or 24.97 depending which one it was, they repeated their measurement everytime without any numbers dancing, only really hard pressure would cause it to change and they returned to 0.00 every single time. I then performed speed slide test for a long time and yet again it returned to zero every single time, so they might actually be 'absolute' workings. Oh yeah and the slide action is very smooth, but not quite as good as genuine.

I will be checking them against my 25-150mm micrometer standards, and 5mm & 25mm I.D. standards I have at work. That will give a better overall indication.

Conclusion:

While disappointed they are not genuine items, as I kinda knew they wouldn't be. I wanted a set for home, a set for work and the 3rd set was to get a 20% price break and maybe sell to a coworker (with full disclosure). I am happy with the product, happy with the price. Far better than any other made in china caliper I have ever used.

My coworker apprentice has a hand me down genuine mitutoyo digimatic, he was upset to find they were out by a mile (0.2mm per 50mm Jaws still good) when we were comparing things. So even genuine gear needs checking once in a while.
27 March 2015 at 12:20 #184607
Andrew Moyes 1
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When I lived in Hong Kong, I repaired my washing machine with a new belt which I thought was a reputable make. When it shredded itself with just 6 months of use, I looked more closely and found it was a Mitsuboshi. Crafty.

Andrew M
27 March 2015 at 12:41 #184608
Vic
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I won't be buying any more £9.99 specials. The Mitutoyo's will stay indoors as usual but I'll be getting something like the iGaging calipers for the workshop.
27 March 2015 at 13:57 #184611
Tony Pratt 1
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The procedure is when you receive a fake item bought through Ebay open a Paypal dispute and put down 'not as described'

You should get your money back & also keep the goods.

Tony
27 March 2015 at 15:13 #184616
Mike Crossfield
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@mikecrossfield92481
This procedure didn't work for me.

When I raised a dispute, eBay told me I had to return the fake caliper to the vendor in China, which I did at a cost of £12. When the vendor wouldn't provide the promised refund, despite acknowledging that they had received the returned item, eBay paid up. However, they wouldn't cover the return postage cost. Ebay say that they can only claw back the original Paypal payment. They suggested that I should leave negative feedback!!

I was never offered the option of keeping the fake item.

Mike
27 March 2015 at 17:58 #184623
Tony Pratt 1
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Hold on that's not right! The seller should have paid the return postage as per distance selling regulations.

Tony
27 March 2015 at 18:10 #184625
Mike Crossfield
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@mikecrossfield92481
That's as maybe, but who is going to enforce these regulations on a vendor in China? Not Ebay. They say they can only reclaim the amount initially paid, and say that any refund of return postage is up to the buyer to negotiate with the vendor. If the vendor won't communicate, as in my case, this is a bit difficult. And as for Ebay taking action against the seller for supplying fake products, Ebay says that if they get enough complaints they will look into it….

Mike
27 March 2015 at 19:41 #184631
Tony Pratt 1
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I'm pretty sure you can do a chargeback against Paypal for the purchase cost & postage? I know If I was in your position I would make damm sure I would find out the legalities of the situation.

It doesn't matter where the vendor is located, Ebay has their bank details etc.

Tony
27 March 2015 at 20:14 #184635
JA
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@ja
After reading all this I have a moral dilemma.

A friend decided he wanted good digital calipers, looked at what was available, sort advise and bought a set of Mitutoyo calipers off eBay. He is very proud of his purchase (most people who buy stuff off eBay are). Should I explain to him they may be a fake?

JA

Edited By JA on 27/03/2015 20:15:41
27 March 2015 at 21:58 #184653
Oompa Lumpa
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I really wouldn't lose any sleep over a couple of pairs of fake Mitutoyo calipers and if you are buying them "on the cheap" from a Chinese ebayer well, what do you expect?

As for claiming the postage, life is just too short to start a High Court action over a couple quid postage from someone in China. If you want to worry about fake goods – worry about the Condoms!

true.
27 March 2015 at 22:47 #184656
DMB
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@dmb
When you talk about chargeback against Paypal, I think you will fail.
I see a lot of customer complaints in ComputerActive magazine about purchases that went wrong and it seems that if you pay your dosh to Paypal that is where your “contract” is and they will quite correctly say they have done nothing wrong. They have carried out action of passing your dosh on to vendor so nothing to do with them. What I would like to know is how Paypal get away with that when your CR or DR card issuer cannot?
I try to avoid using Paypal whenever possible and use my cards so I stay in control of my money.
One site did not appear to give me a choice other than Paypal so I cancelled order and went elsewhere.
27 March 2015 at 23:16 #184658
DMB
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@dmb
Dont forget –

?100 + use CR card and if goods dont arrive or faulty try to contact vendor first then its “Section 75” action with card issuer.
Under ?100 use DR card. If it goes wrong follow above but NOT S75 this time its chargeback.
In all cases you are entitled to postage paid on the order and free return postage. Ask for free postage label.
You have 6 months to find out goods were inherently faulty and for vendor to try and disprove. After 6 months its your problem to get goods tested to prove vendor sold faulty goods. BUT if proved faulty after 6 months you are entitled to cost of testing to be refunded by vendor.
Admittedly most of this refers to electronics/ computers but it could apply to say a dodgy boiler or useless pumps or injectors or pressure gauges.
Far Eastern lathes and mills and their motors and circuit boards should also be covered by these rules.
“Distance Selling Regulations” have slightly different rules to that of personal purchasing visits to shops or warehouses
Having said all above its nice to see fair traders mentioned especially with long established ME outfits like ArcEuro, Blackgates, GLR, Reeves Maccmodels, College Eng., Noggin and many more.
27 March 2015 at 23:19 #184659
DMB
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@dmb
Woops! failed to note in last post. The ? next to figure 100 was meant to be a ? sign.
27 March 2015 at 23:22 #184661
DMB
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@dmb
Its happened again even though I was careful.
“Pound” sign was what should have appeared.
27 March 2015 at 23:32 #184662
DMB
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@dmb
I have had a cheap Mitutoyo caliper for years. Accurate and in frequent use. Cheap ‘cos it was a Birthday pressie!
With this button type of battery power, always use Swiss made “SR44” type battery rather than the slightly cheaper “LR44” which dont last early as long a d work out more expensive in the long term.
They are probably also faked – nearly anything else is.
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