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  • #160693
    jonathon cary
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      @jonathoncary61666

      I m wonder if anyone knows where I might be able to find an MT0 arbor preferably with a drill chuck atached..I ts to use in a miniature lathe built by my Grandfather 60 years ago-I ve finally decided to make something on it!Thank you

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      #17468
      jonathon cary
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        @jonathoncary61666

        drill chuck

        #160695
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          The Sherline lathes use that size, have a word with Millhill supplies

          #160697
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            Sorry Jonathon – just re-read your post and realised the lathe was built by your grandfather, so my comment was pointless…

            Neil

            Edited By Neil Wyatt on 14/08/2014 15:50:47

            #160700
            jonathon cary
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              @jonathoncary61666

              Millhill-Sherline do im fact do a 0 mt arbor with a chuck..Unfortunately at 1/2 lb weight and ?67 in money it wasnt pointless, just a tad expensive..!

              #160702
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                We had the same subject come up on another forum, there is not that much choice though there is a link to an e-bay seller in the US for arbors so just add a chuck

                #160704
                John Bromley
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                  @johnbromley78794

                  Could that not be your 1st project? Make a 0MT to #JT arbor.

                  John

                  #160708
                  Roderick Jenkins
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                    @roderickjenkins93242

                    There are some 0MT arbours/chucks about on the web. Most of the commercial small lathes that have 0MT use the short 0MT version, which is the smaller half. Full 0MT arbours and centres stick out too far for serious use. Might be worth checking the lathe to see if your grandfather followed this practise.

                    HTH

                    Rod

                    #160711
                    jonathon cary
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                      @jonathoncary61666

                      It will be a short one thanks Rod..I ll have to keep looking..Someone s got one somewhere..I think my first project will be a little canon partly to practice tapers on..!

                      #160715
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        I have a 'Golden Goose' brand Jacobs chuck on a JT0/MT1 arbor that weigh just 100g, the size would suite MT0 nicely. It's nice and smooth and holds drills down to number 80. It's also very nicely finished.

                        I recall that I got it from Arc Euro, but I could be wrong. They list chucks this size, but tehy may not be this brand.

                        Neil

                        #160718
                        jonathon cary
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                          @jonathoncary61666

                          Phew!RDG do them although they didnt know it when I phoned, 0 mt arbors with 3/8 x 24 or 14×1 and female threaded chucks to suit on amazon..trouble with rdg it was on their ebay site and I found it by chance online..Not sure how long it is though..!!Thanks for all your help..

                          #160719
                          alan-lloyd
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                            @alan-lloyd

                            Cowells use them I believe

                            #160723
                            Steve Withnell
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                              @stevewithnell34426

                              I have an MT0 dead centre somewhere if that's useful to you – no use to me.

                              Steve

                              #160726
                              jonathon cary
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                                @jonathoncary61666

                                Yes please Steve..I ll pm you with address..how many??

                                #172751
                                UJ Newton
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                                  @ujnewton33659

                                  I ve been told Sherline,Cowells and Unimat arent proper 0 mt..they ve been altered..I phoned the firms and they told me! I suppose it stops people buying cheaper ones from other firms just like camera firms uesd to do with films..
                                  I wonder if I buy a dead centre , which is available, is it going to be possible to turn the end down on this mini mini lathe and use a die on it..It s tool steel?

                                  #172887
                                  Lambton
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                                    @lambton

                                    I think you will find the only alteration these companies make to No 1 Morse taper arbors is to shorten them by cutting some off the small diameter end. If they altered the taper in anyway it would no longer be a No 0 Morse item.

                                    #172908
                                    Robert Dodds
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                                      @robertdodds43397

                                      Jonathon,

                                      The RDG arbor is long, about 1 5/8". I am going through a similar exercise with a Super Adept and that has a short hole for a stubby centre in both tailstock and headstock and in my instance, although the taper is M0 the top dia is 0.25"and just about coincides with the bottom dia of the RDG arbor. The first job was to set up another machine, I have a little Zyto with offsetting tailstock, match up the taper with a dti and then turn down the top portion of the arbor till I got to the required 0.25 dia, cutting off the remnant after double checking I got the taper and dia right as there is no going back!! I was lucky to have rescued a suitable 0 -1/4" chuck from a dead pistol drill some time ago so I only spent money on the arbor.
                                      I hope you dont have the small hole as on my machine but there is a way round it.
                                      Bob D
                                      Does any one else only see spelling errors after printing/posting?

                                      Edited By Robert Dodds on 18/12/2014 15:05:26

                                      #172914
                                      Neil Wyatt
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                                        @neilwyatt

                                        The story is that Adept tapers are the small end of MT0. I have an MT0 centre and adept head and tailstocks here on the bench. It may well be the same tape, but the small end of the MT0 is till to big. I think the Adept taper is best thought of an an 'unofficial' MT00.

                                        Neil

                                        #172924
                                        Roderick Jenkins
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                                          @roderickjenkins93242

                                          My Flexispeed is definitely the small end of a 0MT which, sadly, means that cutting down a full 0MT arbour isn't an option. This is a full OMT centre sitting in the tailstock.

                                          mt01.jpg

                                          All the full 0MT centres I've seen are hardened but as it's a good bet that they are carbon steel they should be fairly easy to soften.

                                          Rod

                                          #172926
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            @neilwyatt

                                            Hopefully this photo of a brutally abused Super Adept headstock can be the definitive proof that the spindle taper was NOT the small end of 0MT – unlike Rod's Flexspeed and no doubt several other small lathes.

                                            taper.jpgThe drill arbour is 1MT for comparison.

                                            Neil

                                            Edit: I was struck by the fact the 0MT centre is longer than the 1MT arbour. In fact, the specification is for the gauge depth of the 0MT to be just 1/8" less than 1MT, at exactly 2", and as centres have to stick out a bit further….

                                            Edited By Neil Wyatt on 18/12/2014 17:46:14

                                            #172938
                                            Robert Dodds
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                                              @robertdodds43397

                                               

                                              A photo of my turned down, cut down RDG arbor ready to fit to the chuck
                                              The as turned taper needed a bit of lapping paste and polishing up to get it to grip reasonably in the tailstock socket
                                              Note the  flats on the 15mm shoulder dia. to allow a13mm spanner to tighten/undo the arbor from the drill chuck

                                              Bob D

                                              img_20141218_180234.jpg

                                              Edited By Robert Dodds on 18/12/2014 19:39:23

                                              #172943
                                              UJ Newton
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                                                @ujnewton33659

                                                Thats very good..Wish my little lathe did tapers!I was wondering about cutting the top off, leaving the narrow part the right lenght then welding a little blank on and use a die for the thread..Then I realised I need a straight shank with a 0mt to get it in the lathe chuck to turn it .I m on the trail of a short one..

                                                #172960
                                                Robert Dodds
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                                                  @robertdodds43397

                                                  U J,
                                                  I'm not clear what stage you're at. Does your little lathe let the small end of an M0 into it's sockets or are you, like me, unable to even start the standard M0 into the hole. Neil called the Adept a M00 and thats not a bad definition.
                                                  If Adept is what you've got then taper turning is probably involved but if you can get an M0 stubby into the headstock spindle taper you can proceed from there. cut off the excess leaving enough to turn a screwed spigot, say M4 or M5 on the end.
                                                  Now make a screwed bush out of say 15mm dia bar, matching your M4/M5 and rough turn to size for your drill chuck. To get best concentricity mount the part finished bush on the stubby arbor, put it back in your headstock spindle and turn the remaining dias true. Die the thread for your chuck, assemble it and go drill some holes.
                                                  I would not do any welding, too many stresses and distorsion. All normal cutting tends to tighten the threads up so there is little chance of things coming loose unexpectedly.
                                                  If you are stuck wiith lathe that has no facility for offsetting the tailstock, like the Adept, and want to do a slow taper there are simple attachments to put an adjustable centre on the tailstock barrel. these often use the MT hole but can also mount straight onto the outside diameter of the barrel. Making from scratch can be a bit involved but simpler designs should be possible with little more than a lathe with chuck and a pillar drill.
                                                  The frustrating part is setting it up to accurately match an existing, M00 say, taper

                                                  Bob D

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