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  • #17080
    Chris Heapy
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      #119952
      Chris Heapy
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        @chrisheapy71135

        Need a new project and something I don't have – a competant, compact and flexible tool and cutter grinder. This is for endmills, milling cutters, lathe tools, drills, – the usual stuff. There seems to be myriad options out there for designs with the classic being the Quorn I guess. I can't accommodate a pro machine (like a Clarkson) simply due to limited space, and that isn't a DIY project anyway. So what other recommendations do folk have other than the Quorn that I should consider?

        #119954
        I.M. OUTAHERE
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          @i-m-outahere

          I am going to build the ACTO T&C .

          I found the plans for sale on ebay (cd rom)and require no castings but the plans cost $70 crying 2 ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.

          I would recmmend you have a look at Harold Halls book (WPS) on tool and cutter sharpening as it has plans for a simple but effective T&C unit that won't cost the earth or take a year to make .

          Ian

          #119957
          Chris Heapy
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            @chrisheapy71135

            The ACTO is a new one to me, I had not seen it before. Love the counterweight – I guess it falls over without it? there are some interesting features in it though. I don't think it would take a year to make a Quorn but maybe owners could enlighten me.

            #119967
            Sub Mandrel
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              @submandrel

              > The ACTO is a new one to me, I had not seen it before.

              New to me too, so abit surprised that of the four photos that came up on a google search, one was my crude home-made effort, complete with coffee stain! I'm gobsmacked!

              Neil

              #119969
              S.D.L.
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                @s-d-l

                The Bonelle looks an interesting alternative to Quorn using stock material. Google will show, I can't get links to work on I pad yet. Is also in yahoo groups Quorn section if I remember correctly.

                Steve

                #119970
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Steve,

                  You beat me to it … here is a link to the Bonelle page

                  [checked and linked on my iPad]

                  MichaelG.

                  #119971
                  Les Jones 1
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                    @lesjones1

                    Hi Chris,
                    Yet another option is the Colyer/Caseley cutter grinder that was shown in issue 179 of MEW ( August 2011) which is a bit like the quorn but built without castings.

                    Les.

                    #119974
                    Chris Heapy
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                      @chrisheapy71135

                      Thanks for the links etc., to the Bonelle, I've downloaded the plans and will study them. Looks impressive. I will also look at the Colyer/Caseley if the digital archive holds iss. 179

                      #119976
                      Harold Hall 1
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                        @haroldhall1

                        Thanks Ian for giving my sharpening book a plug. If though Chris you wanted something a little more demanding but not going as far as the Quorn and similar, you could also look at Milling a Complete Course which has a more substantial version of that in the sharpening book.

                        The principles for using it are the same and it uses the same accessories.

                        The following web page will give you some ideas as to how they are both used.

                        **LINK**

                        There are also other pages on the web site regarding sharpening workshop tools.

                        Harold

                        #119989
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          If you like the Clarkson but smaller then look at the Stent or as mentioned above the Bonelle version of it whose footprint is about that of a laptop. The Stent's fault is the flimsey head support but you can improve that.

                          If you like the idea of a simpler Quorn then look at the Colyer design mentioned before
                          perhaps with a swivle head upgrade.

                          pdc_0255 c&c cutter grinder.jpg

                          The Worden always looks a bit 'tinny' and the Kennet might be a better version of that table based style but someone on the web does have a nice design for a radius attachement under his Worden heading which is worth finding.

                          #119990
                          Another JohnS
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                            @anotherjohns

                            I did do the Worden T&C grinder from Hemingway Kits. It's basically done, and seems to work quite well.

                            Did do some writeups of it on my blog – http://cnc-for-model-engineers.blogspot.com – the build went quite well.

                            It's not a Quorn, but maybe much easier to use for most used operations. (at least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it)

                            I can see, if one gets into machinery building, that one could make a few very interesting T&C grinders….

                            Another JohnS.

                            #119997
                            Chris Heapy
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                              @chrisheapy71135

                              There is a seed of a 'cunning plan' in my mind… My mill already has the X-Y-Z axes of sufficient accuracy, and more than enough travel. A rotary table could provide the radial indexing. If I made a wheelhead attachment which fitted to the top section of the mill's knee dovetail then all I would need is some method of providing angular adjustment (in 2 axes). I would be using a diamond cup wheel so there wouldn't be lots of grit thrown around, but of course I would still need to protect the machine during grinding operations.

                              …now I'm sure someone will point out that J.Bloggs already did this back in 1923 etc., but it's a new idea to me

                              #120000
                              mark mc
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                                @markmc72333

                                this thing i made is not pretty but it works. x/y table, tilting rotary table with a er collet block 2013-04-28 12.49.38.jpg

                                Edited By mark mc on 16/05/2013 07:50:06

                                #120027
                                Michael Horner
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                                  @michaelhorner54327

                                  **LINK**

                                  Hi Chris

                                  Have you explored the above link? There are interesting ideas discussed.

                                  Michael

                                  #120065
                                  Sub Mandrel
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                                    @submandrel

                                    Here's mine again FWIW. It isn't actually finished, but it works so…

                                    Neil

                                    General View of Grinder

                                    Motor mount note earth :0)

                                    Table feed and angle adjustment

                                    ER22 cutter holder with 12-stop ratchet

                                    #120074
                                    Chris Heapy
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                                      @chrisheapy71135

                                      These all look like workable solutions to the basic problem, yet all different You chaps are obviously typical Model Engineers – inventive problem-solvers. Makes me feel I'm being lazy in looking for an off-the-shelf solution.

                                      I can dedicate an area about 2ft square to accommodate the whole thing, anything larger would start to get in the way of other tools so the more compact the better. I was originally looking at the little Universal Tool and Cutter Grinder sold by (amongst others) RDG **LINK** which fits the size requirements but has not received particularly good reviews (and sells for less than half the price in the US). Pity that, but it wouldn't do any more than most of the solutions described above anyway. I suspect in the end I will cherry-pick the ideas and features found in the designs invented by others and from that cobble together something that suits my needs.

                                      Thanks for all the suggestions!

                                      #120081
                                      Alan Hopwood
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                                        @alanhopwood63369

                                        I built a Quorn and quickly sold it as being too complicated for my use. I then built a Stent, but fitted it with a Quorn spindle. This has been with me for about fifteen years now and still proves useful. It's main functions are four and six facet drill sharpening and the odd cutter.

                                        Alan.

                                        #120084
                                        Michael Horner
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                                          @michaelhorner54327

                                          **LINK**

                                          The above link should be to a mini bonelle, wish I had the skills to make itfrown

                                          Michael.

                                          #120085
                                          S.D.L.
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                                            @s-d-l
                                            Posted by Alan Hopwood on 17/05/2013 07:03:35:

                                            I built a Quorn and quickly sold it as being too complicated for my use. I then built a Stent, but fitted it with a Quorn spindle. This has been with me for about fifteen years now and still proves useful. It's main functions are four and six facet drill sharpening and the odd cutter.

                                            Alan.

                                            i have heard of this combination before, what is the advantage of the Quorn head / fault with the stent spindle?

                                            Steve

                                            #120091
                                            Chris Heapy
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                                              @chrisheapy71135

                                              I've had a root about in the workshop cupboards and came up with this combination, I'm thinking it may be the basis for cutter grinder? The Myford swivel slide has sat in a draw for years – not used it since buying a mill. The quick index head is part of the GHT dividing kit I made, and the collet chuck is off the lathe. The center bar could be used to locate the cutter flutes (somehow). Maybe if this lot were bolted to an X-Y table I would have the axes of movement required.

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                                              #120093
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                                Looks like you have a very useful cupboard there, Chris!

                                                That assemblage of parts seems to "have the makings" but; if you sold the Myford Vertical Slide and the GHT, you could buy all the stock to build a Bonelle.

                                                Just a thought

                                                MichaelG.

                                                #120096
                                                Ian S C
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                                                  @iansc

                                                  Just got ME 4456 yesterday, interesting article on P 706 "A Milling Cutter Sharpening Jig" By Graeme Quayle. Ian S C

                                                  #120100
                                                  Chris Heapy
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                                                    @chrisheapy71135
                                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 17/05/2013 12:50:43:

                                                    Looks like you have a very useful cupboard there, Chris!

                                                    That assemblage of parts seems to "have the makings" but; if you sold the Myford Vertical Slide and the GHT, you could buy all the stock to build a Bonelle.

                                                    Just a thought

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    I might consider selling the slide, but not the Geo. H. Thomas dividing attachment! That was one of my first projects on my ML10 – blood, sweat and tears went into that Here's the other bit of it:

                                                    #120101
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                                      Lovely job, Chris

                                                      I do see your point.

                                                      MichaelG.

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