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  • #93766
    Charlie,
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      @charlie18171

      Hi Chaps

      I buy a lota engineering related stuff from car boot sales,And from time to time i stumble across somone with a load of stuff in a box who says pick where you like a quid each If i like the look of contents of the box i useualy say ill give ya £20 quid for the box, Somtimes i have to raise the price a little but i useualy get it,I got such a box recently and the contents where interesting,There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for?,Also a number of boxed Core drills which look like reamers,The question is can anyone tell me what a core drill will do that a reamer cant,The core drills are multifluted from three to six flutes some are slow flutes and some are fast,Most of em are 2mt,I look forward to your considered opinions, Thanks,

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      #16837
      Charlie,
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        @charlie18171
        #93771
        chris j
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          @chrisj
          Posted by Charlie, on 05/07/2012 21:56:52:

          Hi Chaps

          …..There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for?,….., Thanks,

          Not trying to be funny but could they be be for drilling tapered holes maybe ?

          Chris

          #93773
          Ady1
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            @ady1

            I don't think that you answered his question

            (You would get 0/10 if this was an english O level question)

             

            The only tapered holes I have come across are for the pin at the top of the tool clapper on a shaper which lets the clapper swing

            Some of the bigger shapers will have quite big holes

            So you have a nice tight fit on a moving part which moves a lot, and as it wears from use you can tap it in a bit more, or tap it out and re-ream the hole for a slightly bigger pin

            It seems to be a cheap way of producing an efficient reliable hinge which has some room for manoeuvre for wear and where the pin won't drop out

            Edited By Ady1 on 06/07/2012 00:42:45

            #93774
            chris j
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              @chrisj
              Posted by Ady1 on 06/07/2012 00:22:37:

              I don't think that you answered his question

              (You would get 0/10 if this was an english O level question)

              The only tapered holes I have come across are for the pin at the top of the tool clapper on a shaper which lets the clapper swing

              Some of the bigger shapers will have quite big holes

              Really ? Fortunatley this is not an English O Level Test but if it was…….

              Please note the question mark at the end of the sentance.

              Q=There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for ?

              A=Tapered Holes

              See me after class.

              #93782
              Nicholas Farr
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                @nicholasfarr14254

                Hi Charlie, don't quite know what you mean by Core drills with flutes. Core drills are normally cylindrical and very often have diamond or tungsten cutters on the edge, they are used to cut lage holes in concrete and brick ect. Multi-fluted drills (which is what I think you are talking about) are used for enlaging holes that are already in place. These help keep the drill central in the hole and stop them wobbling and producing a mishaped hole, they normally have a rather large point and are not any good for drilling a new hole.

                Regards Nick.,

                Edited By Nicholas Farr on 06/07/2012 06:45:44

                #93784
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  The core drills with flutes could be shell reamers or Rotabroach type cutters used on magnetic drills. They could also be counterbores, the type with interchangable pilots which may explain the "core" hole.

                  Two types of tapered drills I can think of, one is used as a pilot drill when screwing into wood, the other to produce the tapered hole for japanese wooden nails.

                  Can you put some pictures for us to have a look at.

                   

                  J

                  Edited By JasonB on 06/07/2012 07:33:13

                  #93786
                  mick
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                    @mick65121

                    I think the core drills your talking about are designed to produce a true round and size hole. Normal two fluted drills especialy larger diameter ones will pounce and chatter when enlarging a smaller pilot hole. A multi fluted core drill won't and so will produce a clean and size hole.

                    #93787
                    Swarf, Mostly!
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                      @swarfmostly

                      Hi there, all,

                      I have some four-flute drills that I have always understood to be called 'core drills'. I bought one of them quite recently and the seller used that term.

                      I presumed they got this name because they were/are used for opening up cored holes in castings.

                      Best regards,

                      Swarf, Mostly!

                      #93853
                      AES
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                        @aes

                        @Charlie and all:

                        As someone else has remarked in another thread, issue 192 (August 2012) of MEW is another cracking issue.

                        Re Core drills I quote from part 11 of Mick Knight's excellent series "Engineering for Beginners"; which appears in MEW 192, page 15, 2nd column, mid way down, under the heading ""The drilled hole". (AES info: he's just finished talking about the reaming of holes). QUOTE: There is another method (i.e. apart from reaming as discussed in the arrticle immediately prior to this – AES info) of drilling a clean and size bore and that's by using a multi-flute core drill. I suspect it is highly unlikely ……. UNQUOTE: (this portion of general info deleted to save my poor copying typing skills as it's general comment only. But of interest here, the article continues as follows. QUOTE: Core drills, depending on diameter, are usually three or four fluted drills and are used to follow up a previously drilled hole. The core drill isn't ground to a point in the same way as a twin fluted drill but has cutting edges angled away from a flat bottom face. Core drills will cut a size while producing a clean finish in most materials. UNQUOTE:

                        Unfortunately, while the articles are rich in photos generally, there is no picture of a core drill.

                        Hope this helps (and thanks to Mr. Knights for an excellent series of extremely informative and well-written articles – to me they alone are worth the price of the MEW sub).

                        Cheers

                        AES

                        Edited By AES on 06/07/2012 21:13:15

                        #93854
                        Sub Mandrel
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                          @submandrel

                          Two kinds of core drill:

                          Old style – 3/4 flutes for opening up existing holes (including cored hles in castings – hence the name) a bit like a reamer, but removing more material.

                          New style – cylindrical drill with diamond encrustation or TCT teeth that leaves a 'core'.

                          So the complete opposite of each other really.

                          Neil

                          #93858
                          David Clark 13
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                            @davidclark13

                            Hi There

                            Photo of a core drill. They are useful for opening a predrilled or cored hole but not a lot of use for finishing a hole.

                            regards David

                            core drill.jpg

                            Edited By David Clark 1 on 06/07/2012 21:49:02

                            #93859
                            Adrian Dixon
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                              @adriandixon92675

                              As stated above my understanding was to open existing holes (note ref. to casting 'cored hole' ). They reputedly give a more accurate and better finished hole than a standard drill and are a half way house to a reamer, but definately no substitute for one. I have, I think, one in the workshop and have never used it!

                              Adrian

                              #93873
                              John Haine
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                                @johnhaine32865

                                I have one bought from Tracy Tools just under 3/4″ diameter. It needs a 3/8 hole to start and is very useful to remove lots of metal quickly and without chatter when you want to bore a big hole in the lathe. Looks just like David’s photo.

                                #93892
                                Charlie,
                                Participant
                                  @charlie18171

                                  Hi chaps

                                  Thank u all for your variouse answers to my question regarding Core drills, And i have to say that in reading them all my perception and understanding of that type of cutting tool has been enhanced, So onc again thank you all for taking the time to enlighten my humble self,

                                  #93963
                                  Baldric
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                                    @baldric

                                    Posted by Charlie, on 05/07/2012 21:56:52:

                                    There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for?,

                                    Could they be bridge reamers? **LINK** I have used them to align holes for riveting, but we are talking full size locomotives here.

                                    #93964
                                    chris j
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                                      @chrisj
                                      Posted by Baldric on 09/07/2012 09:06:17:

                                      Posted by Charlie, on 05/07/2012 21:56:52:

                                      There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for?,

                                      Could they be bridge reamers? **LINK** I have used them to align holes for riveting, but we are talking full size locomotives here.

                                      I think you may be on to something.

                                      #93999
                                      JDEng
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                                        @jdeng
                                        Posted by Charlie, on 05/07/2012 21:56:52:

                                        There where a number of long tapered drills,Cant imagine what they are for?

                                        These might be bridge reamers as stated above. If that is the case they are used to put a "sized" hole through two (or more) separate, smaller holes in components that require bolting or rivetting together. The idea is to "bridge" any misalignment.

                                         

                                        They might also be taper pin drills; these are used, as the name suggests, for opening out a parallel hole to accept a taper pin. They will have a constant taper (1:48 or 1:50 depending on imperial or metric) whereas, as far as I know, a bridge reamer is tapered for a certain length and then becomes parallel.

                                         

                                        John.

                                        Edited By JDEng on 09/07/2012 17:30:30

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