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  • #16306
    Dr_GMJN
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      #557880
      Dr_GMJN
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        @dr_gmjn

        All, my son was given an old – and very knackered – Schumacher R/C car to rebuild as an engineering project:

        He's stripped it, and we've been making various parts like turnbuckles, a layshaft, spring perches, bushes etc., and bought a few parts too:

        We are however stuck with the side plates for the ball differentials, two of which are cracked. A hardened washer fits on the non-drive side. They are apparently very rare and difficult to find in undamaged condition. They were available in aluminium as an extra cost option.

        The problem is the castellated output ends. We turned up a test piece, and transferred the tapered tooth profiles onto the plain face with paint. Then used a razor saw to make vertical cuts, followed by a wood chisel to bend and chop the segments out. The output stubs are 8mm diameter, so filing to clean up is very difficult.

        Obviously this gave an appalling result, but since it's aluminium, and the corresponding castellations on the output stubs fit (kind of), it will work. The differential halves are forced togeher with a screw and nut through the entire assembly, so the output stubs cannot fall off:

        Question, is, how can we make a better job of these castellations? I can only think to buy a thin diamond wire, place it at the bottom of the cuts, and try to saw the cut-out bits across their bases. It would be a simple milling operation if the segments weren't tapered.

        Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

        #557882
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Should be easy enough to mill with the spigot stood vertically, cut one side of a "tooth" rotate and cut the other. Off out now but will post later if you don't get a better answer

          #557885
          Tony Pratt 1
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            @tonypratt1

            Have you got a milling machine & rotary table?

            Tony

            #557887
            Anonymous

              The existing parts don't look like they've got a taper on the teeth. Machining straight-sided teeth is a simple operation involving a rotary table to machine the sides of each tooth in turn. If a taper really is needed, simply tilt the head of the mill, or the rotary table. Aluminium seems an odd choice of material. Steel would be better wearing and less prone to fatigue.

              Andrew

              #557889
              Dr_GMJN
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                @dr_gmjn

                Sorry guys I didn't explain that very well.

                By tapered, I mean that the gap at the middle is smaller than the gap at the edge, ie the sides of each castellation – in plan – are radial lines from the centre:

                The gap towards the middle of the part is approx. 1.6 mm wide. So if I had a 1.6 mm milling cutter, and made a cut from one side of the part to the other (again in plan), I'd get straight sided cuts, not wedge shapes.

                I don't have a rotary table.

                Edited By Dr_GMJN on 11/08/2021 13:43:27

                #557891
                Gary Wooding
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                  @garywooding25363

                  How about a jeweller's piercing saw?

                  #557892
                  An Other
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                    @another21905

                    Looking at your photo of the castellations, would it not be possible to use a fine saw and cut straight across the end (e.g from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock hope that makes sense), and similarly with the other flanks of the 'teeth', then use a small drill to remove the bulk of the metal from between the sawcuts, and finish off to size with a needle file?

                    #557894
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by Dr_GMJN on 11/08/2021 13:42:51:

                      […]

                      I don't have a rotary table.

                      .

                      For parts on that scale, with only a few divisions … It should be possible to cobble-together some sort of dividing contraption.

                      MichaelG.

                      #557895
                      pgk pgk
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                        @pgkpgk17461

                        As Jason and others say it is simple enough with a rotary table to cut the parallel paths then rotate the table and offset to cut each side of each castellation to the taper
                        If you don't have a rotary table then you need to make a fixture with a central spigot to mount the part. The part will need a witness mark with calculated witness marks around a circle scribed on the fixture: clamp, cut, rotate, clamp etc.
                        One of the easiest ways of creating those fixture marks is to draw it in CAD and print, cut out and stick to the fixture

                        The primary cross-cuts are made on their centre lines but for the tapers the mill is moved 1/2 the cutter width off the centre line and only run circumference towards centre for 4 teeth then swapped to 1/2 cutter width the other side of centre line and repeat.

                        pgk

                        #557897
                        Anonymous

                          Given that the sides of the wedges are radial lines all that is needed is to offset the cutter by half its diameter, away from the wedge, while indexing round each tooth with the rotary table and the wedge shapes will appear. Opposing sides of the wedges need equal, but opposite, offsets. Each cut only goes to the centre, not across the diameter.

                          I expect Jason will knock out a quick Alibre drawing to show the method. smile

                          Andrew

                          #557898
                          Mick B1
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                            @mickb1

                            Would a thin (say 0,75mm or 1/32"  ) slitting saw pass below the southern edge of the eastern merlon and above the northern edge of the western one in the above pic?

                            If so, you could use the sawcuts as flank markers for end milling out the crenels. If you have a swivel vice you could presumably calculate and set the angles. You might have to finish with a Swiss file, Dremel or suchlike.

                            Edited By Mick B1 on 11/08/2021 14:50:19

                            #557899
                            Peter Cook 6
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                              @petercook6

                              Do they need to be tapered. I would guess from a power transmission point of view they will be well over engineered.

                              A suggestion might be to modify the existing stub axles to simplify things.

                              differential.jpg

                              Mill the existing outboard pieces as per the bottom diagram to remove the red bits. It's four straight cuts (two "vertical, two "horizontal) with a small milling cutter.

                              Then make the new components to the top design. This time only two cuts straight across. Without dimensions, I don't know what size cutters you might need, but if the gaps between the teeth in the centre are 1.6mm then a 1mm cutter will probably suffice.

                               

                              PS thanks for the question, solving your problem has made me think again about the design of  adog clutch I have made.

                              Edited By Peter Cook 6 on 11/08/2021 14:57:24

                              #557901
                              Dr_GMJN
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                                @dr_gmjn

                                Can anyone recommend a rotary table then for an SX2P Mill?

                                Like I said I've not got one, but it would be a nice toy to play with and then it's a simple matter with a 1.5 mm diameter milling cutter.

                                #557903
                                Anonymous
                                  Posted by Dr_GMJN on 11/08/2021 15:06:33:

                                  Can anyone recommend a rotary table then for an SX2P Mill?

                                  Not specifically as I'm not familiar with the mill, but offer the following points for consideration:

                                  • Get a bigger rotary table than you think you need, a lot of room can be taken up with clamps
                                  • A vertical/horizontal mounting table is useful – I use vertical as much, or more, than horizontal
                                  • My rotary table has a 1" parallel hole in the centre; to my mind that's more useful than a Morse taper, as it's simple to make location spigots and fixtures

                                  To illustrate the points, here's a horizontal setup:

                                  final drive gear cutting.jpg

                                  Note the central rod; simply stock bar with a 1" spigot turned on the end. The clamps under the gear only just fit on the table. And a vertical setup:

                                  spotting_drill.jpg

                                  Andrew

                                  #557904
                                  John Hinkley
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                                    @johnhinkley26699

                                    Not having a rotary table is a bit constricting, but not insurmountable. In your position I would either make it from square stock and use the sides to do the indexing, against a vice stop and turn it down afterwards or make it out of round stock with a stub on the "back". Drill and/or bore a central hole in the aforementioned square stock, securing it with a grub screw or just superglue. Mount the square stock vertically in the mill vice and proceed to mill as described in previous posts.

                                    A rotary table will be a useful addition to your workshop and I would suggest a 4"/100 mm one, preferably with division plates.

                                    John

                                    #557905
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by Dr_GMJN on 11/08/2021 15:06:33:

                                      Can anyone recommend a rotary table then for an SX2P Mill?

                                      Like I said I've not got one, but it would be a nice toy to play with and then it's a simple matter with a 1.5 mm diameter milling cutter.

                                      .

                                      That's fine … new toys are always fun … ignore my suggestion angel

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #557907
                                      JasonB
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                                        @jasonb

                                        You don't really need a rotary table for that, infact you could do it by just rotating the part once, either way a simple printed out paper disc and pointer would do.

                                        First thing is to look at the part and asses how it can be machined, simply by rotating slightly you will see that the radial faces can be lined up with the X and Y planes.

                                        dog 1.jpg

                                        A bit of CAD to draw out teh shape, I've assumed a 5mm hole and shown your 1.6mm gap. Which a 1.5mm dia cutter will just fit through so offset by half cutter dia and machine one face, probably go down in 0.5mm steps

                                        dog2.jpg

                                        This will leave your part looking like this

                                        dog 3.jpg

                                         

                                        You can either leave it in the same position and make another cut in X coming in from the right and offset 0.75mm below the x axis then two cuts from top and bottom either side of teh Y axis. Or if tooling permits rotate 90deg and make a cut repeat twice. You will end up with 4 slots forming 4 of teh dog faces

                                        dog 4.jpg

                                        Now rotate the work by the complimentry angle of the 37.05deg, offset below X axis and make a cut. 

                                        dog10.jpg

                                        Which and then do it three more times by rotating 90deg or cutting in teh other three axis and part will then look like this

                                        dog9.jpg

                                        Edited By JasonB on 11/08/2021 16:18:40

                                        #557913
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          As a rule of thumb I would say go for a rotary table approx the siz eof the mills table front to back so maybe 5" diameter. My reason being that with limite dhead room on some of the bench mills you can soon run out of head room particularly if teh table is vertical.

                                          This is how the SX2.7 is set up at the moment from rounding a couple of rod ends. 6mm dia cutter sticking out no more than 20mm from the collet. yet there is only 1" of vertical movement left in the head as the 150mm R/T (larger than table size) and 5" chuck stack up.

                                          20210811_163857[1].jpg

                                          Also a little video of the progression of the cuts to form your dog clutch

                                          #557927
                                          duncan webster 1
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                                            @duncanwebster1

                                            Get a suitable size bit of square bar, machine spike on it to locate the bore of your castellated thing, then you can grip this in the machine vice and use it to index pretty accurately.

                                            Or even easier make it from square bar, finally turn it round after you've done the teeth 

                                            Edited By duncan webster on 11/08/2021 19:09:14

                                            #557928
                                            Brian H
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                                              @brianh50089

                                              Could the mating parts be made from an epoxy putty, presssed into the existing parts after putting some grease on the original part?

                                              Brian

                                              #557940
                                              old mart
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                                                @oldmart

                                                I used the rorary table to produce a similar type of drive, but with 7 segments, 51 degrees 26 minutes, approximately for a long handle for the knee of the Tom senior mill when there was a heavy weight on the bed.

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                                                #557942
                                                Dr_GMJN
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                                                  @dr_gmjn

                                                  Thanks all – I’ll digest that lot and in the meantime buy a 1.6mm end mill.

                                                  I do like the idea of making a simple indexing/translating fixture, although I think the latter would be better achieved using the DROs on the mill. Looking at Jason’s method, and the huge number of dodgy looking rotary tables out there, I might postpone that purchase after all.

                                                  Cheers.

                                                  #557952
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    1.6mm won't fit assuming you were measuring what will be the diagonal, you need a 1.5mm cutter

                                                    dog11.jpg

                                                    #557956
                                                    Dr_GMJN
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                                                      @dr_gmjn
                                                      Posted by JasonB on 12/08/2021 06:55:09:

                                                      1.6mm won't fit assuming you were measuring what will be the diagonal, you need a 1.5mm cutter

                                                      dog11.jpg

                                                       

                                                      Ah yes, thanks, I was still thinking without the rotation/centreline offset.

                                                      Edited By Dr_GMJN on 12/08/2021 08:32:46

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