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This topic has 12 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 9 August 2021 at 03:18 by Paul Lousick.

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8 August 2021 at 11:47 #557518
Colin Heseltine
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I need to machine several radiuses on an aluminium bar, which will eventually end up as a gear lever for a sequential gearbox. Looking at the drawing above the 10mm diameter is a hole bored through the bar as a pivot. The outer sides of the bar are to have a radius of 15mm. The bar is 17.5 mm width.

For the first radius, on the basis that I machine the bar from the right hand side 8.75mm above the centre line how do I calculate the point at which I cease travel of the X axis so that I can then blend into the 15mm radius. Assume that I use a 10mm radius cutter. My maths and geometry was never very good, plus it was over 55 years ago. I wouid assume that once I have a formula I can use this for the remaining radii.

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Colin

Edited By Colin Heseltine on 08/08/2021 12:09:42
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8 August 2021 at 11:47 #16305
Colin Heseltine
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8 August 2021 at 12:07 #557521
speelwerk
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You write that the cutter has a diameter of 10 mm but in the drawing you state a cutter with a 10 mm radius. it makes a difference. Niko.
8 August 2021 at 12:10 #557522
Colin Heseltine
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Niko,

Thanks. Corrected

Colin
8 August 2021 at 12:22 #557524
Peter Cook 6
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Sorry my geometry is too rusty to develop the equations, but a quick sketch gives
8 August 2021 at 12:36 #557525
Dave Morgan 1
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To calculate the answer:

1. Add the 15mm radius to the radius of the cutter, 15+10=25 and square the result = 625.

2. Add half the thickness of the bar to the radius of the cutter, 8.75+10=18.75 and square the result = 351.5625

3. Subtract the result of 2 from 1, 625 – 351.5625 = 273.4375 and take the square root of the result = 16.5359
8 August 2021 at 12:39 #557526
Colin Heseltine
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Peter,

Many thanks for that. I was just looking through my Mothers copy of Machinery Handbook at the geometry propositions and thought back to something Joe Pieczinski said about it all works on triangles. So looked at my drawing, remembered Pythagorus's theorem (25 squared – 18.75 squared gives result of 273.44, which when square rooted give 16.536mm) and came of with figure of 16.536mm, which rather matches your 16.54mm. So between us you have answered my questions and I've amazingly also answered my own question.

Thanks,

Colin
8 August 2021 at 12:41 #557527
Colin Heseltine
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Dave

Thank you. This forum is so full of helpful people.

Colin
8 August 2021 at 14:46 #557546
Paul Lousick
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Colin, there is a conflict in your post.

Tha drawing has a 10mm rad hole but the text refers to a 10mm dia hole. Either way will not effect the shape of the outside.

A CAD drawing for layouts like this is much easier than trying to calculate dimensions and angles. If machining this on a roatary table, knowing the angle to start and stop is also an advantage.

Paul.

Edited By Paul Lousick on 08/08/2021 14:53:22
8 August 2021 at 17:21 #557563
Colin Heseltine
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Paul,

Thank you so much for that CAD drawing. The guy who wants this lever has just given me a hand drawn schematic with dimensions. I do have a CAD package but it is 12 months since started to learn it and last used it and I think it would have taken me all day to draw up that lovely drawing of yours. The stop and start angles will help considerably. I have just taken a look at the graduations on my large 10" Parkinson rotary table and see whether I can get to that level of accuracy, and it looks as though I can. Quick question> Is that 41 degrees 41 minutes or 41.41 (decimal parts of degree). One turn of the handle gives 5 degrees of movement, and each degree is split into 10ths. The graduations are large enough to split into 4 by eye if required. I do have a 6" stepper driven rotary table but have never tried to mill whilst the stepper is driving it.

Thank you,

Colin
8 August 2021 at 18:56 #557576
DC31k
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His drawing shows decimal degrees, so the angle is a little under 41 1/2 degrees. You can check it by doing inverse cosine of 18.75/25 .

The reason for writing is to suggest you think a little about your machining strategy. If you are driving along the straight bit towards your stopping point, as soon as you hit that point, the amount of cutter circumference engaged in the work increases drastically. At the very least, the finish on the part will be inconsistent.

It may be better to plunge cut the four tangent holes (perhaps with a 3/8" cutter) so the bulk of the material is removed before you drive into the corner.
8 August 2021 at 21:53 #557608
Colin Heseltine
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DC31k,

Thank you for confirming that. I obviously need to build up my knowledge of these various formulae.

I had planned to plunge cut the end points first but take your point of using a smaller cutter initially. Will revise my machining sequence notes.

Thank You,

Colin
9 August 2021 at 03:18 #557618
Paul Lousick
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When rotating the job on a rotary table, cut in a conventional milling direction (against the work) and not climb milling because the cutter will pull the work and rotate the table, making the cutter dig in to take up any back-lash in the gears. Not only cause a rough finish but can also damage the gear teeth. (smashed the worm wheel on my RT by doing this)

Paul
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